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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma?  I would be shocked if it were any.  Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option.  That’s an absurd over reaction.  Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?[/quote]

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better”  to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.[/quote]

How is this remotely similar?  You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.[/quote]

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.[/quote]

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.[/quote]

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face,  this would seem so much less “shocking” to you. [/quote]

Standing up for your friend—even in the face of injustice—does not require violating the bodily autonomy of the jackass football player. She was 22 years old, set to graduate from one of the premier academic institutions in the world and she competed at the highest level of her sport. She knew better and it was a stupid mistake.

These are the real issues:

How did she get this far in life and this accomplished that when she faced real adversity (perhaps for the first time in her life) she responded in this way?  Her bio is easily identifiable for parents on this message board. She attended an economically privileged high school, played on a high level club soccer team traveling the country, played for the national junior team, went on to Stanford. Obviously, we know barely anything about her, but I suspect she had heavily involved parents and numerous obstacles were either removed from her path or mitigated as a child. When she’s 22 and she screws up to get herself in trouble for the first time, she doesn’t have the coping skills to face it.

The Stanford process IS OVERBEARING. Men and their advocates have been stating that the Obama Title IX revisions led to an overbearing, unfair process where accused felt like they had no due process rights. Those men have been dismissed as MRAs or incels by the very people on this board attacking how Stanford handled Katie’s case. My guess is that some compliance officer at Stanford correctly identified that the school would be at legal risk if ALL cases at Stanford aren’t handled the same way. While her infraction pales in comparison to what others, men in particular have done, on that campus, the school has to run every assault through the same process or it threatens the integrity of method against the more serious cases.

I feel terrible for her parents. I have 3 preteens who have led a charmed life thus far, much different from how my life started in an undeveloped country. I spend a lot of time thinking about how I don’t want my children exposed to the world I grew up:  malnutrition, pollution, underdevelopment (I didn’t live in a hoe. With running water until I was five), rampant crime (I had personally witnessed at arm’s length two different stabbing incidents by the time I was 12). But I also worry that my children aren’t exposed to any real adversity and they have no idea what real hunger or desperation is and how they could respond if they ever faced it.  I don’t know what the answer is.  [/quote]

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