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Anonymous wrote:Stanford should be held liable for this. Utterly callous and negligent. Young adults when put in vulnerable positions aren’t in a position to think rationally. Their brains are not fully developed yet.

What’s more shocking is Stanford’s reaction to this. A family lost their daughter forever!

I am amazed at their callous treatment of her - she was a goalie for their women’s soccer team. Where were the coaches? There were no faculty/coaches looped in or supporting her?

Exactly. No one was there for her. I get she was an adult but still she was vulnerable and let Stanford know that in many formats. I am not condoning her actions (assuming it was not an accident). But there was context and also she earned the right to make a mistake. After all she did for the school, she deserved someone there supporting her. I don’t think $10m is enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

Six days later is plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail. I don’t think people would be defending a male athlete throwing hot coffee on a female athlete for some perceived wrongdoing that had been investigated and dropped by two different investigatory agencies.

Yes. Women should just get over a sexual assault in less than a week.

I only saw one investigatory agency. And interesting they felt they could investigate and make a decision on the football player in less than a week, but the soccer player has it drag on for six months

Where are you getting that the investigation into the football player was over in a week? I haven’t seen that anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

Six days later is plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail. I don’t think people would be defending a male athlete throwing hot coffee on a female athlete for some perceived wrongdoing that had been investigated and dropped by two different investigatory agencies.

Yes. Women should just get over a sexual assault in less than a week.

I only saw one investigatory agency. And interesting they felt they could investigate and make a decision on the football player in less than a week, but the soccer player has it drag on for six months

It was reported to the police and Stanford, there were two separate investigations.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

Six days later is plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail. I don’t think people would be defending a male athlete throwing hot coffee on a female athlete for some perceived wrongdoing that had been investigated and dropped by two different investigatory agencies.

Yes. Women should just get over a sexual assault in less than a week.

I only saw one investigatory agency. And interesting they felt they could investigate and make a decision on the football player in less than a week, but the soccer player has it drag on for six months

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

Standing up for your friend—even in the face of injustice—does not require violating the bodily autonomy of the jackass football player. She was 22 years old, set to graduate from one of the premier academic institutions in the world and she competed at the highest level of her sport. She knew better and it was a stupid mistake.

These are the real issues:

How did she get this far in life and this accomplished that when she faced real adversity (perhaps for the first time in her life) she responded in this way? Her bio is easily identifiable for parents on this message board. She attended an economically privileged high school, played on a high level club soccer team traveling the country, played for the national junior team, went on to Stanford. Obviously, we know barely anything about her, but I suspect she had heavily involved parents and numerous obstacles were either removed from her path or mitigated as a child. When she’s 22 and she screws up to get herself in trouble for the first time, she doesn’t have the coping skills to face it.

The Stanford process IS OVERBEARING. Men and their advocates have been stating that the Obama Title IX revisions led to an overbearing, unfair process where accused felt like they had no due process rights. Those men have been dismissed as MRAs or incels by the very people on this board attacking how Stanford handled Katie’s case. My guess is that some compliance officer at Stanford correctly identified that the school would be at legal risk if ALL cases at Stanford aren’t handled the same way. While her infraction pales in comparison to what others, men in particular have done, on that campus, the school has to run every assault through the same process or it threatens the integrity of method against the more serious cases.

I feel terrible for her parents. I have 3 preteens who have led a charmed life thus far, much different from how my life started in an undeveloped country. I spend a lot of time thinking about how I don’t want my children exposed to the world I grew up: malnutrition, pollution, underdevelopment (I didn’t live in a hoe. With running water until I was five), rampant crime (I had personally witnessed at arm’s length two different stabbing incidents by the time I was 12). But I also worry that my children aren’t exposed to any real adversity and they have no idea what real hunger or desperation is and how they could respond if they ever faced it. I don’t know what the answer is.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this threatened punishment was excessively punitive and should not have been communicated by email given the prior notice the university had of her heightened stress AND suicidal thoughts. I think the university is at fault. Do I think it was an accident, of course not. Should she have admitted it and begged for forgiveness, maybe. But for all she had done for the university, she deserved a slip up. Her mistake just pales in comparison to all the positivity AND the victim was not asking for justice, he wanted the issue dropped. Shame of Stanford for using her as an example. I believe it was bullying. They had so many opportunities to protect her but chose to make an example out of her. If she had been a male football player, it would not have happened.

The email was not attached to the pleadings, nor was it heavily excerpted which suggests that it doesn’t entirely support the allegations in the complaint. It was notification that there would be a full hearing, and my guess, a list of possible punishments, up to and including expulsion, but nothing had been decided.

The parents know the email will be published in full. They aren’t scared of it.

Whether they are scared of it or not, it likely supports the Stanford’s account more than their own.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this threatened punishment was excessively punitive and should not have been communicated by email given the prior notice the university had of her heightened stress AND suicidal thoughts. I think the university is at fault. Do I think it was an accident, of course not. Should she have admitted it and begged for forgiveness, maybe. But for all she had done for the university, she deserved a slip up. Her mistake just pales in comparison to all the positivity AND the victim was not asking for justice, he wanted the issue dropped. Shame of Stanford for using her as an example. I believe it was bullying. They had so many opportunities to protect her but chose to make an example out of her. If she had been a male football player, it would not have happened.

The email was not attached to the pleadings, nor was it heavily excerpted which suggests that it doesn’t entirely support the allegations in the complaint. It was notification that there would be a full hearing, and my guess, a list of possible punishments, up to and including expulsion, but nothing had been decided.

The parents know the email will be published in full. They aren’t scared of it.

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this threatened punishment was excessively punitive and should not have been communicated by email given the prior notice the university had of her heightened stress AND suicidal thoughts. I think the university is at fault. Do I think it was an accident, of course not. Should she have admitted it and begged for forgiveness, maybe. But for all she had done for the university, she deserved a slip up. Her mistake just pales in comparison to all the positivity AND the victim was not asking for justice, he wanted the issue dropped. Shame of Stanford for using her as an example. I believe it was bullying. They had so many opportunities to protect her but chose to make an example out of her. If she had been a male football player, it would not have happened.

The email was not attached to the pleadings, nor was it heavily excerpted which suggests that it doesn’t entirely support the allegations in the complaint. It was notification that there would be a full hearing, and my guess, a list of possible punishments, up to and including expulsion, but nothing had been decided.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

Six days later is plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail. I don’t think people would be defending a male athlete throwing hot coffee on a female athlete for some perceived wrongdoing that had been investigated and dropped by two different investigatory agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford should be held liable for this. Utterly callous and negligent. Young adults when put in vulnerable positions aren’t in a position to think rationally. Their brains are not fully developed yet.

What’s more shocking is Stanford’s reaction to this. A family lost their daughter forever!

I am amazed at their callous treatment of her - she was a goalie for their women’s soccer team. Where were the coaches? There were no faculty/coaches looped in or supporting her?

That part is strange. From what I can see, the assistant coaching staff had a bit of churn last season. A new goalie assistant had joined in June and another assistant left that December. It’s weird that if she got lost in that shuffle, and would be disappointing if for some reason the coaching staff understood what was going on but didn’t proactively support her? I guess discovery will fill in some of those blanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

The point is that universities should NOT be allowed to handle these situations.

The real problem is that the original sexual which was reported on campus was ignored by the university, and none of this might have happened if the university had properly addressed the sexual assault! Instead, Stanford, Dartmouth, and a host of other universities have broken extralegal disciplinary processes that do nothing but serve the university and its PR. Imagine if the original assailant had been punished? Instead he’s walking free and a girl who stood up for her friend was dragged into a convoluted, opaque system of punishment.

Adults don’t “stand up for their friends” by committing assault (yes, that’s what it is) and deliberately burning someone with a hot liquid. No. Sorry.

This could only be posted by a man, because I have known multiple adult women in college and grad school who, facing inaction by a university, threw a beer, a plate of dining hall food, trash, etc. at the assailant of their friend. Sometimes the only option left to show in public that friends will stand up for their victimized friend is a petty and stupid but very public act- like the coffee thing. And if you knew anything about Stanford biking culture, the layout of campus, and the fact that most athletes know each other at least by face, this would seem so much less “shocking” to you.

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Anonymous wrote:To 1:44: Your attempt to paint Katie Meyer as some kind of person with a long history of intentional wrongdoing is laughable. I don’t have the restraint to not mention the actual, proven long history of Stanford male athletes who have been protected by the very disciplinary system that went after Katie Meyer for her “actions”, as you call them. This is the same disciplinary system that agreed a football player had committed rape based on the actual accusations of the alleged victim (not a Dean who heard it via a 3rd party!), yet didn’t take disciplinary action against him:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/sports/football/stanford-football-rape-accusation.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Katie Meyer’s parents have nothing to lose because they’ve already lost everything. If you think they’ll back down because they’re afraid of what big scary Stanford can do, you don’t understand anything about this case.

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They also have the deep support of the entire local community. I live near Stanford and nobody is going to believe Stanford here when they drag Katie’s name through the mud in attempt to hide the truth. We all already blame Stanford. It is not beloved locally.

Confused about why you are here beyond to keep this post going.

Confused as to why you seem unable to read.

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Anonymous wrote:To 1:44: Your attempt to paint Katie Meyer as some kind of person with a long history of intentional wrongdoing is laughable. I don’t have the restraint to not mention the actual, proven long history of Stanford male athletes who have been protected by the very disciplinary system that went after Katie Meyer for her “actions”, as you call them. This is the same disciplinary system that agreed a football player had committed rape based on the actual accusations of the alleged victim (not a Dean who heard it via a 3rd party!), yet didn’t take disciplinary action against him:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/sports/football/stanford-football-rape-accusation.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Katie Meyer’s parents have nothing to lose because they’ve already lost everything. If you think they’ll back down because they’re afraid of what big scary Stanford can do, you don’t understand anything about this case.

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They also have the deep support of the entire local community. I live near Stanford and nobody is going to believe Stanford here when they drag Katie’s name through the mud in attempt to hide the truth. We all already blame Stanford. It is not beloved locally.

Confused about why you are here beyond to keep this post going.

One nice thing about discovery. The name of the alleged sexual assailant will come out in discovery.

Anonymous wrote:Stanford should be held liable for this. Utterly callous and negligent. Young adults when put in vulnerable positions aren’t in a position to think rationally. Their brains are not fully developed yet.

What’s more shocking is Stanford’s reaction to this. A family lost their daughter forever!

I am amazed at their callous treatment of her - she was a goalie for their women’s soccer team. Where were the coaches? There were no faculty/coaches looped in or supporting her?