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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The stars and bars has been carried by our men in uniform into every major conflict since the civil war, particularly by service members from the south. I fly it proudly.[/quote] I challenge you to read this. These are the actual documents of a number of Southern states setting forth their reasons for secession. Go to the source. Not some fiction you learned in your history classes in high school. Read the actual documents. Then come back and tell me you are proud of what that flag stands for. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states[/quote] Gotta love this quote from Mississippi’s secession declaration: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove. Whatcha got to say to that, Johnny Reb?[/quote] Our beautiful southern flag honors our valor on the field, courtly virtues and independence. Doesn’t have a damn thing to do with slavery, which was a horrific institution for which it seems we all keep paying the price.[/quote] The Confederate flag was LITERALLY the flag of the Confederate Army, which was fighting a war of secession against the United States so that they could keep the institution of slavery. The "independence" you refer to is the "independence" to keep owning slaves. And as far as "courtly values" go, you've obviously watched Gone With the Wind too many times and think it is fact not fiction. The Confederate flag is inextricably linked to the fight to maintain slavery, and any attempts to decouple the two take a certain kind of delusional mindset that normal people can't even wrap their minds around. [/quote] When our southern flag flew over Okinawa https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/okinawa-confederate-flag/[/quote] Little known fact - first place to follow South Carolina in secession planning was New York City. New Yorkers got cold feet when it turned violent at ft Sumter.[/quote] Cite?[/quote] OMG, these people posting here have seriously never read a textbook. Try “History of the United States, Volume I”. [/quote] That's not a cite, honey.[/quote] Try googling it. It’s a fact https://historyofyesterday.com/how-new-york-city-tried-to-secede-from-the-union-cf0327530aa8[/quote] You guys are sooooo stuuuuppid. After arguing about how the civil war was not about slavery, you bring up am example of how the racist interests of NYC proposed to secede from the union over the cause of slavery. Which is it? The mayor of New York made a proposal that was not acted upon by the people of New York. Who cares and what do you think that proves? Are you guys unaware that many southern men joined the union army and fought their own brothers because not all southerners were racist rebel trash?[/quote] And are you also aware that many Northerners owned slaves? And…are you aware that Free Blacks also owned slaves *gasp*??[/quote]
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