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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP if you’re still listening, I was in your position. The more liberal branch of Lutheranism (ELCA) worked for me. It felt like church (a lot of the same liturgy as Catholic) without the pedophilia, sexism, and social conservatism.[/quote]

Nope, no sex abuse in the Lutherans.

“ Thore was pastor of St. Nicodemus for about 20 years in 2004, when he admitted to church officials that he had had inappropriate sexual contact with two boys in his congregation years earlier.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalonews.com/news/local/lutheran-pastor-accused-of-abuse-says-he-lived-in-torment-over-any-wrong-he-committed/article_322b5b4a-3aad-5b37-be6b-e5f45937550f.amp.html

“Victims of a former Lutheran minister who sexually molested boys won a jury award of nearly $37 million Thursday, bringing the total payout in the case to about $69 million.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna4808590

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Nice try, but the difference is that the ELCA doesn't have an organized hierarchy that used its power to cover up the crimes for decades.

I'm sorry that's hard for you to face.[/quote]

Wow. And with a history going all the way back to 1987!

And if you really believe the ELCA has never tried to bury an abuse case I’m the one sorry for you.

And I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/13/us/abuse-by-clergy-is-not-just-a-catholic-problem.html[/quote]

Not a single person has indicated that child sexual abuse exists only in the Catholic church. But by design, most Protestant denominations (including the ELCA) are not hierarchical. They're independent congregations. So, you're still wrong.[/quote]

No, I’m still right because (1) the entire premise that the Roman Church is evil incarnate and bereft of authority because of sexual abuse is replete in the prior posts, both implicitly and explicitly; (2) [b]the decentralized nature of many Protestant denominations makes them far less inviting targets than the gigantic, centralized in some ways, perceived to be wealthy Roman Church;[/b] and (3) your apparent point that decentralized denominations are better than the Roman Church because however corrupt any individual minister or branch might be, there is no central administration to be corrupted, is simply ridiculous. [/quote]

So Catholic pp is suggesting that Catholicism has been charged with sex abuse because  it is a more "inviting target" than other churches and not because of its evil deeds.

IOW, "Not fair -- other churches do it too!"[/quote]

No suggestion at all. Plaintiff’s practice is a business and plaintiff’s lawyers follow the money.

But the point is not that all institutions have problems, churches included. The point is that poster after poster has cited sex abuse as a reason to attack only the Catholic Church, to reject the moral authority of only the Catholic Church, to dissuade the OP from only the Catholic Church, and to propose as options other organizations that have had issues of their own, as if those issues somehow don’t matter but the ones in the Catholic Church do. That is fundamentally illogical and logically fallacious.

A person who wants to disagree with specific Church teachings should do themselves the favor of at least fully understanding what they claim to disagree with. How many posters here who disagree with the Church on “reproductive” issues have read Humanae Vitae or the Declaration on Procured Anortion?  How many who assert that women should be Catholic priests have studied Ordinatio Sacerdotalis?  How many critics of the church have even opened a copy of the Catechism?

The Church is unpopular because its teachings call people to account. The Church is vilified not because it is wrong, but because it is right, and the knowledge that they are not living the best lives they can wounds its critics.[/quote]

The Church is unpopular and vilified because it is corrupt.  Still want to be a Catholic?  OK, go ahead. Leave other people out of it.[/quote]

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