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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP if you’re still listening, I was in your position. The more liberal branch of Lutheranism (ELCA) worked for me. It felt like church (a lot of the same liturgy as Catholic) without the pedophilia, sexism, and social conservatism.[/quote]

Nope, no sex abuse in the Lutherans.

“ Thore was pastor of St. Nicodemus for about 20 years in 2004, when he admitted to church officials that he had had inappropriate sexual contact with two boys in his congregation years earlier.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalonews.com/news/local/lutheran-pastor-accused-of-abuse-says-he-lived-in-torment-over-any-wrong-he-committed/article_322b5b4a-3aad-5b37-be6b-e5f45937550f.amp.html

“Victims of a former Lutheran minister who sexually molested boys won a jury award of nearly $37 million Thursday, bringing the total payout in the case to about $69 million.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna4808590

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Nice try, but the difference is that the ELCA doesn't have an organized hierarchy that used its power to cover up the crimes for decades.

I'm sorry that's hard for you to face.[/quote]

Wow. And with a history going all the way back to 1987!

And if you really believe the ELCA has never tried to bury an abuse case I’m the one sorry for you.

And I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/13/us/abuse-by-clergy-is-not-just-a-catholic-problem.html[/quote]

Not a single person has indicated that child sexual abuse exists only in the Catholic church. But by design, most Protestant denominations (including the ELCA) are not hierarchical. They're independent congregations. So, you're still wrong.[/quote]

No, I’m still right because (1) the entire premise that the Roman Church is evil incarnate and bereft of authority because of sexual abuse is replete in the prior posts, both implicitly and explicitly; (2) the decentralized nature of many Protestant denominations makes them far less inviting targets than the gigantic, centralized in some ways, perceived to be wealthy Roman Church; and (3) [b]your apparent point that decentralized denominations are better than the Roman Church because however corrupt any individual minister or branch might be, there is no central administration to be corrupted, is simply ridiculous.[/b] [/quote]

You are being willfully obtuse. There can't be a worldwide coverup if there's no hierarchy to carry it out. Martin Luther got rid of that for a reason.

But clearly, all those abuse claims were just made up to get money from wealthy, holy Mother Church anyway. /s[/quote]

I agree.  
It would just be many, many small, local covers.  Probably most of the time, the story never really comes out.  
Everything you are told in a Protestant Church comes from the mind of the one lead pastor who may or may not have attended a seminary and has no current external guidance.  So, basically, you know what (s)he knows.  [/quote]

Since you are knowledgeable about clergy, you probably know that the major Christian denominations - Catholic, Episcopal, Methodist, UCC, Russian and Greek Orthodox, etc, require a seminary education.  It's only fundamentalist sects that can become clergy simply by feeling the spirit.

Of course. Because God forbid it's a she![/quote]

I guess maybe it’s better if it’s a she?  
I don’t know.  My personal experience with Protestant churches is that they are typically run by one heavy handed individual, whose main talent lies more in public speaking than theological expertise, and who, like all people, is fallible and often has difficulty admitting they are wrong.

When sexual abuse has happened, it has either been covered up, or, more bizarrely, it has been out in the open, and the perpetrators have written a book about it that’s available for $15.95 in the lobby.  [/quote][/quote]

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