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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The utter stupidity that the same people who call Trump a fascist want to confiscate people’s guns, leaving a state run by a fascist with all the guns, shows you how hollow their claims that Trump is a fascist are or how utterly senseless they are. [/quote]

How much help do you think an individual's guns would be against the federal government, fascist or otherwise? It's totally delusional to think that your handful -- or even large collection -- of firearms would fend off what you're suggesting people need them for.[/quote]

It's worse than that. The people with the guns ARE the tyrants. They're the ones looking to overturn an election. They're the ones plotting to kidnap state officials and execute them for treason. They want to break up the United States, but will literally beat you with a flag bearing 50 stars. Take one afternoon and listen to talk radio, watch Newsmax and OANN, tool around InfoWars and Parler. The government has done zero to oppress them, but they nurture their victim status to justify terrorist acts that the Founding Fathers would never tolerate. They are themselves the fascists. [/quote]

Right, its the right out there looting stores and enforcing unconstitutional shut down orders and destroying small businesses all over the country. Get a grip, lady. [/quote]

The widespread looting and property is awful. The left should condemn that, and many have. But those looters and rioters are not a threat to our Republic. There's not enough of them, and (aside from a few hardcore radicals) their goal is not overthrow of our legitimate, constitutional, elected government.

You can't say the same about the armed militias. Their goal is overthrow of the government. They seek to impose their OWN law, their interpretation of the law and constitution, NOT the law as legislated by Congress, interpreted by the courts, and enforced by the Executive - which is exactly what the Constitution envisions.

Most shut down orders are not unconstitutional. Certainly they are not unconstitutional just because you and an antigovernment mob say so. The government has the power to shut down and regulate businesses if they pose a safety risk.  If you think a shut down order is unconstitutional, then sue. Get your day in court. And you might win! A court ruled a PA order was unconstitutional: https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/pennsylvania-federal-judge-rules-62789/ But only partially. Many other COVID restrictions were not ruled unconstitutional: https://6abc.com/health/new-covid-restrictions-in-pennsylvania-now-in-effect-what-you-need-to-know/8711395/

But the is that questions of unconstitutionality are solved by courts in the United States. That's the system of government set up by the Constitution. Absolutely nowhere does the Constitution empower a bunch of armed citizens decide these matters for themselves and threaten government officials. That's what the militias are doing, and it's the height of insanity that they view this as constitutional and patriotic. It's not, it's a threat to the Republic.

STOP making these false equivalencies between the right wing domestic terrorism movement and a bunch of opportunistic looting during a race riot. 
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The PPs have essentially been making arguments about lawlessness. There is no widespread lawlessness among gun owners. There has been widespread lawlessness among leftist and people who affiliate almost exclusively with the Democratic party. This is the point.[/quote]

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