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Another PP here  - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all.  But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots).  Just do a search.  [b]Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.[/b] [/quote]

+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.

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+a million +1.  [/quote]

It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do.  Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans.  How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population.  So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?[/quote]

That may be true but it seems like Whites are only complaining about the one advantage that they cannot benefit from.  Sure, there is some lip service about legacies, donors and athletes, but you don't see 10+ pages about those.

Well if that the "difference" you got from this thread, I think you are reading it through your own glasses.  As far as what URMs are in denial about, I think you have that wrong.  This young woman was admitted to the Ivies.  Presumably, some Whites on here wanted to make this a discussion about URMS and diminish her accomplishment.  Fine.  Whether URMS are in denial or not, we stated that it does not matter to us how and why she got in.  She got in and she did so because admissions folks think she belongs.  So why should any URM care about the other stuff - that's your issue? Some Whites took offense to that like we should feel bad about it.

As far as your comment about Asians in the California system, you do realize that it is Whites who are the ones questioning their value (in this and other threads), not URMs. All the URMs are pointing out is that some Whites move the goal posts depending on who the perceived competition is. [/quote]

There are two separate issues.....one has to do with admissions and the other has to do with what admitted students do with their opportunity. With regards to the former I stand by my comments above regarding admissions and the benefits that all "hooked" applicants receive. Regarding the later I couldn't agree with you more. Once an applicant has been admitted based on the collective wisdom of the admissions committee it is completely irrelevant how you got in. I'd extend that idea to all of the people that are so eager to throw Kushner out as an example of admissions hooks (and full disclaimer I can't stand the kid).

Regarding the asian discrimination, I'm not sure what your data is to support the assertion that it is only white people that attach the one-dimensional stereotype to asian kids. But that really isn;t relative and I don't think it's helpful to view everything through the lens of race. The real point is that if you take race out of the equation, asians get admitted at far higher numbers and since the admissions committee is trying to build a diverse and rich student body then by definition those asian applicants can't be the one-dimensional nerds that people on this board make them out to be.[/quote]

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