Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:59     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
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Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.


+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.



+a million +1.


It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do. Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans. How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population. So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?


That may be true but it seems like Whites are only complaining about the one advantage that they cannot benefit from. Sure, there is some lip service about legacies, donors and athletes, but you don't see 10+ pages about those.

Well if that the "difference" you got from this thread, I think you are reading it through your own glasses. As far as what URMs are in denial about, I think you have that wrong. This young woman was admitted to the Ivies. Presumably, some Whites on here wanted to make this a discussion about URMS and diminish her accomplishment. Fine. Whether URMS are in denial or not, we stated that it does not matter to us how and why she got in. She got in and she did so because admissions folks think she belongs. So why should any URM care about the other stuff - that's your issue? Some Whites took offense to that like we should feel bad about it.

As far as your comment about Asians in the California system, you do realize that it is Whites who are the ones questioning their value (in this and other threads), not URMs. All the URMs are pointing out is that some Whites move the goal posts depending on who the perceived competition is.


There are two separate issues.....one has to do with admissions and the other has to do with what admitted students do with their opportunity. With regards to the former I stand by my comments above regarding admissions and the benefits that all "hooked" applicants receive. Regarding the later I couldn't agree with you more. Once an applicant has been admitted based on the collective wisdom of the admissions committee it is completely irrelevant how you got in. I'd extend that idea to all of the people that are so eager to throw Kushner out as an example of admissions hooks (and full disclaimer I can't stand the kid).

Regarding the asian discrimination, I'm not sure what your data is to support the assertion that it is only white people that attach the one-dimensional stereotype to asian kids. But that really isn;t relative and I don't think it's helpful to view everything through the lens of race. The real point is that if you take race out of the equation, asians get admitted at far higher numbers and since the admissions committee is trying to build a diverse and rich student body then by definition those asian applicants can't be the one-dimensional nerds that people on this board make them out to be.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:37     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone noticed that African Americans (decendents of slaves) are being over looked for Africans and hispanics? Perhaps just my perception. However, AA deserve the attention in the academic world and job market as well as other areas. They were here early on, discriminated against - yet still helped build and defend our country.


Because they are not hostile to everyone, and don't have a chip on their shoulder the size of the rock of Gibraltar. They don't treat all whites like shitheels and they don't go far out of their way to look for offenses where none exist, and they don't resent people based on color. Lastly, they neither resent another's success nor blame it on some invisible privilege.


In other words, they are good compliant minorities who don't give the White folks any problems.


+1 PP, good job grouping all AA in one large calculated effort to threaten your sense of self-entitlement, destroy your desire for self-preservation and make your life miserable. Please don't repeat any of this around anyone who is halfway intelligent. It makes you sound really, really stupid.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:36     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
I posted earlier. I BELIEVE in AA for African Americans. I don't believe in Nigerian upper class immigrants taking those spots. Universities themselves are exploiting the true intention of AA which is to help men and women who are the victims of generational injustice.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:27     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
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Anonymous wrote:The lesson that it sends is that it's impossible to 'earn' your way into a college or university if in the end it comes down to where you were born and what kind of a family you were born into. Get identical scores and be born into a UMC white family? Too bad. Get identicial scores and be born into a family headed by two African-American lesbians and a transgender person? You're in. YOu're golden. Grand slam for you for the win.


Well isn't that something? Wait wait....you are trying to portray a White UMC kid as a disadvantaged victim? If you are a UMC White kid and you cannot make it in America today, the problem is you - not the 7-8% URM kids at the elite school.



+100. If you are born white and UMC in this country, and you can't maintain that SES...you're just a loser.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:23     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:The lesson that it sends is that it's impossible to 'earn' your way into a college or university if in the end it comes down to where you were born and what kind of a family you were born into. Get identical scores and be born into a UMC white family? Too bad. Get identicial scores and be born into a family headed by two African-American lesbians and a transgender person? You're in. YOu're golden. Grand slam for you for the win.


Well isn't that something? Wait wait....you are trying to portray a White UMC kid as a disadvantaged victim? If you are a UMC White kid and you cannot make it in America today, the problem is you - not the 7-8% URM kids at the elite school.

Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:20     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone noticed that African Americans (decendents of slaves) are being over looked for Africans and hispanics? Perhaps just my perception. However, AA deserve the attention in the academic world and job market as well as other areas. They were here early on, discriminated against - yet still helped build and defend our country.


Because they are not hostile to everyone, and don't have a chip on their shoulder the size of the rock of Gibraltar. They don't treat all whites like shitheels and they don't go far out of their way to look for offenses where none exist, and they don't resent people based on color. Lastly, they neither resent another's success nor blame it on some invisible privilege.


In other words, they are good compliant minorities who don't give the White folks any problems.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:19     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.


+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.



+a million +1.




It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do. Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans. How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population. So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?


Re: bolded above -- the other difference, to me, is that some people seem to think that being any race other than white should count as a qualification for admission. All things being equal, i get that a black or Nigerian or some other than white race/ethnicity means that a student brings someone else to the table and I can understand that being a differentiator when choosing between two candidates with almost identical scores, grades, and activities. But I don't see race as a qualification that boosts a kid with lower scores AND a lower GPA AND mediocre activities. And I believe that this approach sends the wrong message to all kids -- tells URM kids that they can't or don't have to get to the same level and tells white kids that how well they do might not matter.



Actually, no one is saying that. That is what YOU took from it. Bottom line is this. Young lady got into 8 Ivies. It is the WHITE posters who came in here and cast shade on it instead of saying something positive. THAT is what the URMs on here are reacting to. The pettiness and lack of graciousness.

Funny, because admitted URM kids are not getting that message. Most of them are thankful for the opportunity and despite what you folks think, are not taking it for granted. I am thinking you do not know many and I am sure that admissions people have more experience with them than you do. Many of you think that if your White kid checks certain boxes, they should automatically get in. White folks on DCUM have said this in regards to URMS and they have said it in regards to Asians.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:15     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:The lesson that it sends is that it's impossible to 'earn' your way into a college or university if in the end it comes down to where you were born and what kind of a family you were born into. Get identical scores and be born into a UMC white family? Too bad. Get identicial scores and be born into a family headed by two African-American lesbians and a transgender person? You're in. YOu're golden. Grand slam for you for the win.


Just being born into an UMC white family means you're golden for life. None of that is earned.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:11     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
The lesson that it sends is that it's impossible to 'earn' your way into a college or university if in the end it comes down to where you were born and what kind of a family you were born into. Get identical scores and be born into a UMC white family? Too bad. Get identicial scores and be born into a family headed by two African-American lesbians and a transgender person? You're in. YOu're golden. Grand slam for you for the win.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:10     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone noticed that African Americans (decendents of slaves) are being over looked for Africans and hispanics? Perhaps just my perception. However, AA deserve the attention in the academic world and job market as well as other areas. They were here early on, discriminated against - yet still helped build and defend our country.


Because they are not hostile to everyone, and don't have a chip on their shoulder the size of the rock of Gibraltar. They don't treat all whites like shitheels and they don't go far out of their way to look for offenses where none exist, and they don't resent people based on color. Lastly, they neither resent another's success nor blame it on some invisible privilege.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:05     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.


+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.



+a million +1.




It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do. Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans. How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population. So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?


Re: bolded above -- the other difference, to me, is that some people seem to think that being any race other than white should count as a qualification for admission. All things being equal, i get that a black or Nigerian or some other than white race/ethnicity means that a student brings someone else to the table and I can understand that being a differentiator when choosing between two candidates with almost identical scores, grades, and activities. But I don't see race as a qualification that boosts a kid with lower scores AND a lower GPA AND mediocre activities. And I believe that this approach sends the wrong message to all kids -- tells URM kids that they can't or don't have to get to the same level and tells white kids that how well they do might not matter.

Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:03     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.


+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.



+a million +1.


It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do. Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans. How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population. So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?


That may be true but it seems like Whites are only complaining about the one advantage that they cannot benefit from. Sure, there is some lip service about legacies, donors and athletes, but you don't see 10+ pages about those.

Well if that the "difference" you got from this thread, I think you are reading it through your own glasses. As far as what URMs are in denial about, I think you have that wrong. This young woman was admitted to the Ivies. Presumably, some Whites on here wanted to make this a discussion about URMS and diminish her accomplishment. Fine. Whether URMS are in denial or not, we stated that it does not matter to us how and why she got in. She got in and she did so because admissions folks think she belongs. So why should any URM care about the other stuff - that's your issue? Some Whites took offense to that like we should feel bad about it.

As far as your comment about Asians in the California system, you do realize that it is Whites who are the ones questioning their value (in this and other threads), not URMs. All the URMs are pointing out is that some Whites move the goal posts depending on who the perceived competition is.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 16:02     Subject: Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Nigerians place a huge emphasis on education and on excelling, as some have previously noted. Nigerians also account for 25 percent of black students at Harvard Business School. They are consistently academic standouts. Not affirmative action.


Nigerians (and Cubans) are obsessed with exploiting American affirmative action policies that were not intended for them.


Jesus. I guess it's totally impossible that a young woman of color could, by herself, merit these admissions?

I can completely understand why this MoCo student wrote this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/opinion/sunday/finding-growth-at-my-historically-black-college.html



one of the biggest problems with those policies is that it casts a cloud on even the most deserving recipients. if there is an alternative explanation for her acceptances than, yes, people are going to wonder.




Ok...but why should ANY kid give a damn about how YOU or anyone else think they got there? Let them wonder. That is more your issue than it is hers. I tell my own kids and kids that mentor that it should not matter how you got there. If you show up, do the work and take advantage of the opportunities, then it is all good. But do not give one thought to other people speculating about why you got an opportunity.

Because a White kid could be dumb as a rock and get in because of legacy status. Not one of you would look at him and think twice about him belonging at that school. But a POC gets in and now everyone wants to second -guess and parse her accomplishments.


no, actually, it's more of her issue. not saying she should care, she probably shouldn't and can't do anything about it anyway, byt what people think about how one got where she is can have a real life consequences.

also, not true that people don't care about legacies. jared kushner was written about prominently and disparagingly because he bought his way into harvard. people still talk about it, and it's pretty much a kind of a stigma. i am sure he was bothered by it, certainly at college and maybe even today. he has a harvard degree yet it doesn't feel real though he (i assume) did all the coursework.

the point is the same - what people think about how one got to where they are can be consequential. ignoring that is not easy.


This comment reeks with discrimination. Just wow. Would we be wondering how she got there if she was white? I have know doubt this exceptional young lady could care less what anyone thinks. What matters are what the eight Ivies thought. And being accepted to all eight Ivies, which I am sure will be part of her life story, shouldn't be questioned by anyone except an idiot.


here is the thing: if she were white there wouldn't be alternative explanation for her success. that's why people are wondering. personally i don't care.

also, i sure hope being accepted into colleges won't be a major part of her life story. it would actually be sad if it were. the only people who still talk about their college acceptances past the age of, oh, 25 or 30, are those who are not sucessful.


How many people can claim being accepted to all 8 Ivies? We wouldn't be having this discussion if this was a run-of the-mill occurrence. This is a wonderful story that will serve her well for a lifetime.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 15:43     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:my racism has increased after reading this thread against blacks aka half of the people posting on this



An increase? Soooooo...before you read this thread you were just a little racist, but after reading this thread your racism has increased? Big shift there. Thanks for the announcement, but no one really cares.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2017 15:18     Subject: Re:Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.


+A MILLION. This breakdown is completely accurate and exposes the true ugliness in the people posting disparaging, thinly-veiled white supremacist comments. I'm very proud of this young lady.



+a million +1.


It's a bit disingenuous to portray white people as the only ones who are scrambling for any advantage that they can find to gain an advantage for their child's admission to elite colleges. The reality is that EVERYBODY is doing this including AAs. The only difference that I can glean from the comments on this thread is that AAs seem to be in denial that their kids benefit from relaxed admissions standards when even the colleges themselves admit this as fact. And before I need to hear again about athletes, legacies, development, etc kids getting the same benefit.....well of course they do. Everybody gets that.

The group I have the most sympathy for are asian americans. How quickly everybody is to buy into the racial stereotype that asians are one-dimensional nerds that add nothing of value to college campuses. When you eliminate race as a factor in admissions as does the University of California system, you see that asians represent 40-50% of the student body (depending on the campus) whist only making up 12% of the state's population. So presumably the university saw value in these asian applicants beyond academics or am I missing something?