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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.[/quote]

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.[/quote]

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable?  It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game. [/quote]

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either. [/quote]

Agree[/quote]

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind[/quote]

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more. [/quote]

The class of its own is HPSM. Princeton is phenomenal for physics, math, all natural sciences, statistics, etc. Have you heard of Albert Einstein?[/quote]

Albert Einstein doesn't relate more to Princeton than Caltech.
Einstein rents an office at Princeton for his lab, that's it.[/quote]

It’s called The Manhattan Project because all the key work started at Columbia (with an assist from Chicago).

But hey the frisbee was invented at Yale.

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That was 80 years ago. [/quote]

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