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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.[/quote]

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work! :shock:

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?[/quote]

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person. [/quote]

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html[/quote]

The science thing is odd and it either is evidence that he was a sociopath calmly pretending it was all fine or (more likely) a kid with a significant cognitive disconnect.  My own kid was in a police car being taken to an ER for suicidal threats and was making plans about buying tickets for something they wanted to do.  I was thinking WTF do they not realize if they kill themselves we will not be attending that.  Their brains can just run on two totally different tracks.

Also, if the kid denied suicidal ideation and told the counselor it was just for a video game he was designing, I’m really not sure most counselors would have done anything differently for a kid that has not disciplinary history and seemed to be otherwise engaged in school and responding appropriately to questions.   I might not be understanding the totality of what they had, though.  
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My take is that the counselors were asking what might about to screening questions and may not have had the skill set for this level of immediate assessment the way someone experienced in psych assessment would. The note was an indicator of suicidal ideation and as such would have warranted a check of locker and backpack and maybe requiring parents to confirm guns were CURRENTLY secure to rule out access to weapons at the time. [/quote]

I was thinking a little differently, that the counselors were focused on the kid's mental health, but erred on what they thought would keep him safe-- IOW, they thought he'd be safer at school than home alone where he could self-harm. If the principal and vice principals had been looped in, they would have brought the mindset of assuring the safety of everyone else from this kid as well. Counselors are geared toward helping the individuals in front of them, while principals are tasked with managing the entire school. The problem was that the kid was a danger to self [i]and [/i]others, so there was a mismatch between the nature and scope of the problem and the responsibilities of the particular school personnel who were making the decisions that day. Same with the school resource officer, whose primary responsibility is to the school as a whole. His involvement would have almost surely made a difference.

Long way of saying that the principal would have probably insisted on checking his backpack.

Also, I bet the counselor sitting there with the kid for all that time, was falsely reassured watching the kid worry about his science homework and other normal behavior. A principal would have probably been coming in and out and would be less likely to let his skepticism down.

Just speculating here, obviously, but it's good to remember that these are all regular human beings acting as humans do-- They bring their own preconceived ideas, gut instincts, empathy, bias, naïveté, analytic skills, good intentions, flawed reasoning and just human imperfection to every situation.

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Great post and perspective shared. Everyone has their blind spots.[/quote]

Wait--school admin was NOT involved at the time? I completely missed it if that's the case. [/quote]

The school superintendent is claiming the Principal/AP were not notified (hard to believe) and the Sheriff has stated the SRO was not looped in. [/quote]

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