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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them? [/quote]

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed. [/quote]

You really don't get it.  You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman.  You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker.  You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need.  Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.[/quote]
Jesus! Enjoying makeup does not mean I'm deluded or oppressed. You sound a little nuts.

Is there anything related to fashion that you actually enjoy? [/quote]

Yes, clothing and makeup can be art!

It is not fashion and makeup themselves that are the problem.  It is the narrow-minded rules about what is attractive or not, the idea that women must wear makeup or they are "letting themselves go" or the idea that without makeup you are automatically unattractive that I object to.  I think there may be a few rare souls out there who truly wear makeup because they just like it, but [b]most are doing it out of insecurities foisted on them by the beauty industry[/b].  Worst of all, it is other women who are the worst judges/critics of other women and the worst about upholding the narrow standards of beauty.  Most men I know could really give two shits whether women wear makeup or not.

And if you try to point out to these women that makeup is part of all these messages, they do as PP did above; they just say you sound nuts.  I'm not nuts; [b]I'm just not ignorant about the messages around me. [/b] It is really hard to admit when someone calls you out on being ignorant.  Reaction is usually defensive and then lashing out.  Just look at this thread.

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You're not nuts, but you aren't making a great argument, and you [i]still[/i] can't make a point without insulting a group of well-educated women. No one is lashing out in a defensive way, we're telling you that your argument isn't good if you can't make it without calling us sheep.

- a rare soul[/quote]

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