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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The point is NOT that anybody is butthurt that you're celebrating Christmas. So stop already with the dumb deflection of "don't tell us how to celebrate Christmas", because that's not the question being asked here.

The point is, WHY? It would be like me celebrating Eid or Hannukah, and then bitching about the gifts and visiting relatives. 
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Where in the bible does it say "Christmas" is about exchanging gifts and visiting relatives???

I would totally understand if Christians celebrated Christmas by leaving gifts at the altar in churches, in an re-enactment the Magi, with the intention of those gifts going to baby Jesus.  But giving grandpa a sweater?  It's not grandpa's birthday.  It's Jesus' birthday.  So why is grandpa getting a sweater???

If non-Christians were leaving those gifts at church, or taking the time to go to Bethlehem, maybe I'd understand your total confusion and frustration.  But from what I see, non-Christians are celebrating all the non-Christian aspects of the holiday.  What I don't get is why you Christians have added these non-Christian aspects to your holiday in the first place.  Maybe the real thing is to stop blaming us and start blaming yourself for appropriating practices that have nothing to do with Jesus' birthday.[/quote]

Gift giving, particularly giving toys to children,  is a tradition left over from the celebration of Saturnalia. It's part of the pagan traditions. [/quote]

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