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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.[/quote]

I am a huge fan of the UC schools. It is an amazing system with a surplus of excellent offerings top to bottom. I think the only other state that rivals the sheer number of appealing schools is Virginia. Of course other states envy California.

But your way of assessing is just not adequate. Admissions rates of course tell us a lot about the appeal and popularity of a school, and to an extent these often correlate with high stats and highly driven students as well as excellent course offerings as well as excellent advising and so on - but not always.

The numbers can also be very misleading. California is the most populated state in the country--there is a HUGE demand for seats at these affordable schools. California is test-blind, not even test-optional, so ALL students can feel like they have a shot. The number of applicants is enormous and that drives the admissions rate way, way down. California is committed to the upward mobility of its population which, again, decreases the seats for the more typical high-achieving population and thus driving down admission rate numbers.

When you try to make a list of top ten schools, admissions rate is only one indicator, it is not even a factor. We are all going to have different metrics and I, for one, just [i]totally disagree [/i]with the ones used by US News. Do you agree with their metrics? Which ones? No one, from CA or the rest of the country, who has any real familiarity with UC Merced would pretend that the student body is statistically in the top 25. So if you are looking for high achieving peers, this is not the place for you.[/quote]

It would be interesting to see what graduate standardized test scores (LSAT, MCAT, GMAT) for undergraduates graduating from these schools.  Here was the top 30 for LSAT before the UCs went test blind.  My suspicion is the UCs have fallen behind more publics.

Yale–167.50
Harvard–167.40
Princeton–166.10
UChicago–165.98
Stanford–165.72
Dartmouth –165.67
Columbia–165.00
Duke–164.97
UPenn–164.58
Tufts University–164.48
Brown–164.31
Northwestern–164.30
WashUStL–164.05
Georgetown–163.48
Vanderbilt–163.45
Rice–163.44
Amherst College–162.79
Notre Dame–162.75
Cornell–162.65
Wesleyan–162.61
Johns Hopkins–161.82
NYU–161.75
College of William & Mary–161.18
Univ. of Virginia–160.84
Boston College–160.70
Emory–160.64
Michigan–160.48
Brandeis–160.30
Colgate–160.23
UCalBerkeley–159.44[/quote]

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