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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

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UMich
UVA
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UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

Yes.

What’s your personal UC experience? Are you that disgruntled TA who was discharged for cause?

If you talk to current students at the UCs you will hear a lot of complaints. They will say it is worth it to save tuition but is it really? So many problems that even they don’t believe it anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:UCB, UMICH, UVA, UNC, UT, UF, UCLA, W&M, UIUC, GT

Cal and Wisconsin should be on that list.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

UVA, UNC, and UT = college degree from Sam’s Club since TO or non-disclosed data is likewise flawed?

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

Source?

They tend to support Gavin Newsom.

DP Aye, at least it didn’t take too long for your mask to drop.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

Yes.

What’s your personal UC experience? Are you that disgruntled TA who was discharged for cause?

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Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding the views of the “no one thinks” / “everyone knows” genius, California will continue to dunk all over whatever state or nation the UC haters hail from.

It’s regrettable that the dreams of their children were crushed when UCLA and/or Berkeley rejected them, but the fact remains that the UC system reigns supreme.

Maybe next year, though. 😂

If you live out of state, why would you apply to UC schools? They are not worth out of state tuition. Much better options exist.

“Better” is quite subjective (I’m not going to waste my time dispatching your “much better” talk into the dumpster), but sure - I’ll play along.

Lifestyle / Quality of Life?

Desire to find professional prospects in the largest state economy in the country, larger than all but three COUNTRIES?

You think HS students around the country are dreaming of settling in Virginia? North Carolina? Texas?

Michigan is a brand pull, and the third best public, so no objection there.

But do you seriously think the kid growing up in Ohio is dreaming of someday finding a way to live in Richmond? Charlotte? Dallas? Get serious. Your jealousy of California is blinding you. But that changes nothing.

California population is not really growing, unlike states like Texas and Florida. Cost of living and home ownership are driving that. If I had to guess whether Berkeley, UCLA, UT Austin, or University of Florida graduates have the highest home ownership rates, I'd probably pick UT Austin and UF.

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

Source?

Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.

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Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding the views of the “no one thinks” / “everyone knows” genius, California will continue to dunk all over whatever state or nation the UC haters hail from.

It’s regrettable that the dreams of their children were crushed when UCLA and/or Berkeley rejected them, but the fact remains that the UC system reigns supreme.

Maybe next year, though. 😂

If you live out of state, why would you apply to UC schools? They are not worth out of state tuition. Much better options exist.

“Better” is quite subjective (I’m not going to waste my time dispatching your “much better” talk into the dumpster), but sure - I’ll play along.

Lifestyle / Quality of Life?

Desire to find professional prospects in the largest state economy in the country, larger than all but three COUNTRIES?

You think HS students around the country are dreaming of settling in Virginia? North Carolina? Texas?

Michigan is a brand pull, and the third best public, so no objection there.

But do you seriously think the kid growing up in Ohio is dreaming of someday finding a way to live in Richmond? Charlotte? Dallas? Get serious. Your jealousy of California is blinding you. But that changes nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

Yes.

What’s your personal UC experience? Are you that disgruntled TA who was discharged for cause?

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

Source?

They tend to support Gavin Newsom.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there really a rank? Aren't they all flagships which exist to educate predominantly the students of that state? When someone refers to a T10 public "ranking", is it for grad programs or for undergrad?

There are rankings. Five are in CA ….UCB, UCLA, UCSD, UCD and UCI. Are in the 1-9 spots.

Give me a huge break. UC schools are a total mess right now for undergraduate education. You can thank the Board of Regents for that. No school that is 100% test blind should be top anything. I know you are referring to the USNWR rankings, but do you realize they rely heavily on the social mobility score? This is why the UCs are in the top 10. They have more poor people and FGLI (Pell grant recipients) than most schools. Is that commendable? Yes, but it doesn’t make it a top public university. I say this as a proud graduate of the UC system. No way UCD or UCI belong in the top 10. Maybe UCSD?

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

I am a huge fan of the UC schools. It is an amazing system with a surplus of excellent offerings top to bottom. I think the only other state that rivals the sheer number of appealing schools is Virginia. Of course other states envy California.

But your way of assessing is just not adequate. Admissions rates of course tell us a lot about the appeal and popularity of a school, and to an extent these often correlate with high stats and highly driven students as well as excellent course offerings as well as excellent advising and so on - but not always.

The numbers can also be very misleading. California is the most populated state in the country--there is a HUGE demand for seats at these affordable schools. California is test-blind, not even test-optional, so ALL students can feel like they have a shot. The number of applicants is enormous and that drives the admissions rate way, way down. California is committed to the upward mobility of its population which, again, decreases the seats for the more typical high-achieving population and thus driving down admission rate numbers.

When you try to make a list of top ten schools, admissions rate is only one indicator, it is not even a factor. We are all going to have different metrics and I, for one, just totally disagree with the ones used by US News. Do you agree with their metrics? Which ones? No one, from CA or the rest of the country, who has any real familiarity with UC Merced would pretend that the student body is statistically in the top 25. So if you are looking for high achieving peers, this is not the place for you.