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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m one of them.

Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.

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I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.[/quote]

I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.[/quote]

There are plenty of US colleges you can go to for much cheaper than this. There are fantastic public colleges, community college + transfer programs that cost a reasonable price. I don't really get posts like these because these are things you can get right now in the US, but won't consider due to prestige issues. There is a reason you named Oxford and not random UK colleges.[/quote]

Random UK colleges are even less expensive. The PP said Oxford because that's the best 1:1 comparison to a school like Harvard or Williams where you have high prestige (but with a massive sticker price). Another poster said "but what do you do when your kid doesn't get into Oxford or Cambridge? Leeds? where?" And the answer is: yes, Leeds, or any of the other less prestigious but still perfectly good universities in the UK. [/quote]

Hmmm... pay high taxes every year in the UK on the off chance that your child will go to Oxford (and to fund free housing for migrants and very mediocre health care) or pay high taxes to get high quality health care in old age (and fund free housing for migrants) in the US.  Which is better?[/quote]

I'm so sorry about your reading comprehension disorder. That must be frustrating.

American taxes don't pay for health care. Many of us wish they did. They mostly pay for fighter jets and military drones.[/quote]

New poster. Speaking of reading comprehension, the poster you responded to said paying taxes to get high quality health care in old age. Which is correct. It’s called Medicare. And it's been awesome for my parents.

I lived in the UK for a long time. It is easy to sentimentalize the country. The NHS had many virtues but also many limitations and is severely overburdened these days. People are now quietly paying cash for private doctors because the waiting lists for appointments are so long. And there's no denying the mass migration has helped to overburden the system too.

Speaking for lower education costs, which is true, but it is also somewhat misleading. Student debt is a major issue in Britain, and when adjusting for salaries of new graduates, even worse of a problem. Most British students graduate with plenty of debt. The American system may cost more money but you also make more money.

The UK is really not in a good place right now. Tourists see the pretty towns and fancy parts of London but day to day life is much more ordinary and often not pretty. Same is true for all of Europe. There are things I do appreciate about your typical European lifestyle and virtues to it, but all in all, the average American does have a more materially comfortable life. Significantly so.

If you're rich, you live well anywhere. America or Britain or Europe, making it a moot point. [/quote]
Yes, but it's better to be M/LC in the UK than in the US.  Social safety net is better in the UK, and if you have a huge medical crisis, you won't go bankrupt in the UK, unlike here.  My cousin died from stage 4 leukemia; they couldn't afford to pay for insurance and the high deductible but made too much for medicaid.  People in the UK can get cancer treatments for free (I know like 4 or 5 people in the UK who have had cancer treatments).

Yes, NHS has issues, and people if they can use private care in the UK. BUT, private care in the UK is a fraction of the cost there compared to the US. I have ACA and my now retired SIL used to work for the NHS.  She was gobsmacked at the amount we pay for things like a scan or MRI.  For the most part, SIL uses the NHS, and pays for private only for a few things. Her col is a fraction of our col (she doesn't live in London).  My ILs (who have passed) col was a fraction of my retired parents col.

We are thinking of moving to the UK for a few years simply because the cost of healthcare in the US is ridiculous.  More MC go abroad for medical care than the other way around.  As you said, both countries are great if you have money.  But, the vast majority of people in both countries are MC, not UMC.[/quote]

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