Anonymous
02/27/2026 22:23
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We all have free will in this country. So GO!
Everyone can move here but Americans can't really up and move to other countries like that.
Except for those of us with 3 passports including the blue American one
It seems like everyone has 2 passports now. 3+ passports are the real flex. Bordering on spy-level.
One is American. Two from EU. I’ll add a forth from South America in the not so distant future.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 22:09
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Maga has made the country a sh!t hole.
No, if you read the article, this trend started during last year of Obama and hit a high point during Biden.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 21:36
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We all have free will in this country. So GO!
Everyone can move here but Americans can't really up and move to other countries like that.
Except for those of us with 3 passports including the blue American one
It seems like everyone has 2 passports now. 3+ passports are the real flex. Bordering on spy-level.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 21:33
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:If you want to leave, then you don't realize what you have. We live in the greatest nation in the entire world. We have more freedoms here than anywhere.
It’s cool to not have missiles or bombs go off regularly. I agree.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 21:30
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
If you want to leave, then you don't realize what you have. We live in the greatest nation in the entire world. We have more freedoms here than anywhere.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 21:27
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We all have free will in this country. So GO!
Everyone can move here but Americans can't really up and move to other countries like that.
Except for those of us with 3 passports including the blue American one
Anonymous
02/27/2026 10:30
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
I mean, I want to spend my days laying on a beach in a cute, safe area with hot guys and eat whatever I want without gaining weight yet here I am procrastinating on dcum, stuck in cold Dcumlandia with a stressful job, awful commute, and a ton of family responsibilities while starving myself to lose weight that simply won’t budge thanks to menopause…so I’d take any pill with a grain of salt.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 10:21
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
Yeah, but your kid can only apply to either Oxford OR Cambridge, and he isn't getting into either. Now what? Leeds?
dp.. Leeds is a great school, and their tuition is even lower.
Tuition at my kid's oos flagship (chosen because no in state has the major they want) is $40K, 3x more expensive than the UK's top college. Tuition at my other kid's in state flagship is $12K, almost the same amount as Oxford. Plus, unis in the UK require 3 years, whereas most in the US require 4 years. Just another way that shows that the US is about greed.
You're probably being selective. Standard tuition at most UK universities for undergraduates is about 10k GBP. 10k. You pay more for law or medicine courses.
But you're ignoring living expenses. It used to be about another 10k GBP for basic student accommodation and meals.
20k GBP altogether is about $30k, which makes it comparable to an in-state flagship like College Park for Maryland residents (including room and board). But the comment about American students having higher salaries after college remains absolutely true.
I did check Oxford's website and it estimated 1500-2100 a month for living expenses on top of the 10k tuition. So my 10k year for living is clearly out of date. And actually the average UK student debt burden as of 2025 is 53,000 GBP, which is the highest in the developed world, according to the Guardian.
Last but not least, American schools are better funded and have more resources than most British schools. Only Oxbridge comes close.
Well, Trump is making sure that funding dries up for most colleges here in the US.
Also, you missed the part where I stated that most unis in the Uk are 3 years, not 4. So, again, college in the UK overall is cheaper than here.
My DC is actually at UMDCP, and their monthly expenses is probably around $1700 to $1800 per month, again, for 4 years, not 3.
It's worth googling a bit before posting on here. The average UK student debt is 53,000 pounds, which at current exchange rate is $71,300.
The average American student debt is apparently $43,333.
Three years versus four years is meaningless when the average debt is significantly higher. It's impressive, when you think about it. Especially as the UK graduates go into lower paying jobs after university.
The areas where a typical Brit is better off than a typical American is few and limited and to specific circumstances.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 10:14
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Female in mid-50s and I don’t want to leave. I lived in Europe for 4 years and have family in 3 different countries. The grass is not greener.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 10:06
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
Yeah, but your kid can only apply to either Oxford OR Cambridge, and he isn't getting into either. Now what? Leeds?
dp.. Leeds is a great school, and their tuition is even lower.
Tuition at my kid's oos flagship (chosen because no in state has the major they want) is $40K, 3x more expensive than the UK's top college. Tuition at my other kid's in state flagship is $12K, almost the same amount as Oxford. Plus, unis in the UK require 3 years, whereas most in the US require 4 years. Just another way that shows that the US is about greed.
You're probably being selective. Standard tuition at most UK universities for undergraduates is about 10k GBP. 10k. You pay more for law or medicine courses.
But you're ignoring living expenses. It used to be about another 10k GBP for basic student accommodation and meals.
20k GBP altogether is about $30k, which makes it comparable to an in-state flagship like College Park for Maryland residents (including room and board). But the comment about American students having higher salaries after college remains absolutely true.
I did check Oxford's website and it estimated 1500-2100 a month for living expenses on top of the 10k tuition. So my 10k year for living is clearly out of date. And actually the average UK student debt burden as of 2025 is 53,000 GBP, which is the highest in the developed world, according to the Guardian.
Last but not least, American schools are better funded and have more resources than most British schools. Only Oxbridge comes close.
Well, Trump is making sure that funding dries up for most colleges here in the US.
Also, you missed the part where I stated that most unis in the Uk are 3 years, not 4. So, again, college in the UK overall is cheaper than here.
My DC is actually at UMDCP, and their monthly expenses is probably around $1700 to $1800 per month, again, for 4 years, not 3.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 10:02
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
There are plenty of US colleges you can go to for much cheaper than this. There are fantastic public colleges, community college + transfer programs that cost a reasonable price. I don't really get posts like these because these are things you can get right now in the US, but won't consider due to prestige issues. There is a reason you named Oxford and not random UK colleges.
Random UK colleges are even less expensive. The PP said Oxford because that's the best 1:1 comparison to a school like Harvard or Williams where you have high prestige (but with a massive sticker price). Another poster said "but what do you do when your kid doesn't get into Oxford or Cambridge? Leeds? where?" And the answer is: yes, Leeds, or any of the other less prestigious but still perfectly good universities in the UK.
Hmmm... pay high taxes every year in the UK on the off chance that your child will go to Oxford (and to fund free housing for migrants and very mediocre health care) or pay high taxes to get high quality health care in old age (and fund free housing for migrants) in the US. Which is better?
I'm so sorry about your reading comprehension disorder. That must be frustrating.
American taxes don't pay for health care. Many of us wish they did. They mostly pay for fighter jets and military drones.
New poster. Speaking of reading comprehension, the poster you responded to said paying taxes to get high quality health care in old age. Which is correct. It’s called Medicare. And it's been awesome for my parents.
I lived in the UK for a long time. It is easy to sentimentalize the country. The NHS had many virtues but also many limitations and is severely overburdened these days. People are now quietly paying cash for private doctors because the waiting lists for appointments are so long. And there's no denying the mass migration has helped to overburden the system too.
Speaking for lower education costs, which is true, but it is also somewhat misleading. Student debt is a major issue in Britain, and when adjusting for salaries of new graduates, even worse of a problem. Most British students graduate with plenty of debt. The American system may cost more money but you also make more money.
The UK is really not in a good place right now. Tourists see the pretty towns and fancy parts of London but day to day life is much more ordinary and often not pretty. Same is true for all of Europe. There are things I do appreciate about your typical European lifestyle and virtues to it, but all in all, the average American does have a more materially comfortable life. Significantly so.
If you're rich, you live well anywhere. America or Britain or Europe, making it a moot point.
Yes, but it's better to be M/LC in the UK than in the US. Social safety net is better in the UK, and if you have a huge medical crisis, you won't go bankrupt in the UK, unlike here. My cousin died from stage 4 leukemia; they couldn't afford to pay for insurance and the high deductible but made too much for medicaid. People in the UK can get cancer treatments for free (I know like 4 or 5 people in the UK who have had cancer treatments).
Yes, NHS has issues, and people if they can use private care in the UK. BUT, private care in the UK is a fraction of the cost there compared to the US. I have ACA and my now retired SIL used to work for the NHS. She was gobsmacked at the amount we pay for things like a scan or MRI. For the most part, SIL uses the NHS, and pays for private only for a few things. Her col is a fraction of our col (she doesn't live in London). My ILs (who have passed) col was a fraction of my retired parents col.
We are thinking of moving to the UK for a few years simply because the cost of healthcare in the US is ridiculous. More MC go abroad for medical care than the other way around. As you said, both countries are great if you have money. But, the vast majority of people in both countries are MC, not UMC.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 09:55
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
Yeah, but your kid can only apply to either Oxford OR Cambridge, and he isn't getting into either. Now what? Leeds?
dp.. Leeds is a great school, and their tuition is even lower.
Tuition at my kid's oos flagship (chosen because no in state has the major they want) is $40K, 3x more expensive than the UK's top college. Tuition at my other kid's in state flagship is $12K, almost the same amount as Oxford. Plus, unis in the UK require 3 years, whereas most in the US require 4 years. Just another way that shows that the US is about greed.
You're probably being selective. Standard tuition at most UK universities for undergraduates is about 10k GBP. 10k. You pay more for law or medicine courses.
But you're ignoring living expenses. It used to be about another 10k GBP for basic student accommodation and meals.
20k GBP altogether is about $30k, which makes it comparable to an in-state flagship like College Park for Maryland residents (including room and board). But the comment about American students having higher salaries after college remains absolutely true.
I did check Oxford's website and it estimated 1500-2100 a month for living expenses on top of the 10k tuition. So my 10k year for living is clearly out of date. And actually the average UK student debt burden as of 2025 is 53,000 GBP, which is the highest in the developed world, according to the Guardian.
Last but not least, American schools are better funded and have more resources than most British schools. Only Oxbridge comes close.
Anonymous
02/27/2026 09:44
Subject: Re:40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
^^ lower income not taxes
Anonymous
02/27/2026 09:43
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
The math doesn’t add up though. It’s not just higher taxes but significantly lower taxes. You’re talking a 50% reduction in income over your entire career to pay for say, 200k in college benefits, if that. This is ignoring that many Americans live in state with inexpensive college tuition (Florida, TX and California)
Reminds me of conversations with women in the UK bragging about their six months of paid leave. Ok sure, but I earn an extra 100k per year… you require paid leave from the government because wages are so low!
Anonymous
02/27/2026 09:41
Subject: 40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.
Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.
I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.
I’d much rather pay higher taxes and have free or low cost college. Tuition at Oxford is less that 10,000 pounds. Tuition at private university in America is $60,000. We are fooling ourselves thinking lower taxes is better. I’m saving every nickel and dime for my child’s future college tuition.
Yeah, but your kid can only apply to either Oxford OR Cambridge, and he isn't getting into either. Now what? Leeds?
dp.. Leeds is a great school, and their tuition is even lower.
Tuition at my kid's oos flagship (chosen because no in state has the major they want) is $40K, 3x more expensive than the UK's top college. Tuition at my other kid's in state flagship is $12K, almost the same amount as Oxford. Plus, unis in the UK require 3 years, whereas most in the US require 4 years. Just another way that shows that the US is about greed.