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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Why Mr. Biden waited so long to effectively seal the border has become one of the defining questions of his presidency. [/quote]

I stated that  Biden needed to get a handle on the border issue as soon as he got elected.

Whoever was advising him on this  didn't know how to read the room.  I understand Progressives  want to protect the most vulnerable, but that is not what is going keep you in power.

I sincerely hope that Dems have learned their lesson and do better in 2026 and beyond.  Don't cater to progressives on immigration. That's a losing strategy.  Focus on the economy and jobs, not foreigners.  [/quote]

When have you ever observed Dems politicians exhibit careless immigration/border security policies other than Biden during the first two years of his term? Obama and Clinton surely didn't and this is the party of common sense Obama and Clinton leadership. The Dem Party will return to Obama/Bush/Clinton border policy once they return to power in 2028- guaranteed. [/quote]

No one is saying they did pre-Biden. Frankly, what happened is post Trump, very loud progressives seemed to have become a larger part of the party. This really ramped up in 2020. We saw things like defund the police, defending / denial around the caravans of people coming across the border, and more of a lax on crime posture across America — all things that are not necessarily popular with run of the mill democrats, but I think a lot of folks were gaslighted or outright chastised into keeping their mouth shut around these issues. I have literally been called a MAGA more times than I can count on this very forum for voicing my opinion on of lax on crime policies in cities (including DC), the fact that the sheer number of immigrants over the past few years has been too high of a number, and a few others. Meanwhile I am quite literally a democrat having voted for Obama, Obama, Hillary, Biden, Kamala. The bullying is real by ultra progressives — if you aren’t progressive enough to them they will call you a MAGA, Russian Bot, etc. [/quote]

This is what caused me to look rightward. I was a democrat, always voted democratic. But I had views like, crime should be punished, and police should be funded. People insisted I was maga, racist, etc. So then I decided that maybe they were right and I started listening to right-wing podcasts. And that's how I went from MoCo white liberal woman to MAGA mom. [/quote]

You went from bad to worse. [/quote]

A good read/video is from Angus Deaton

Deaton’s observations will be familiar to you in the sensible immigration movement.

[b]“The economic and societal changes that followed the curtailment of immigration “made possible the success of the civil rights revolution of the 1950s and 1960s,” according to Stanford economic historian Gavin Wright.[/b]

Without the immigration reduction, the Great Migration of Black southerners to the North and West would not have occurred as it did, and the civil rights movement would never have progressed as it did. The Great Migration and the resulting rapid rise in Black incomes spurred the increased enrollment at Historic Black Colleges and the elevated numbers of Black lawyers, physicians, clergy, and other professionals whose ranks produced the leaders of the civil rights movement. Without the Great Migration and the Great Leveling, it is difficult to imagine the civil rights movement successes in the 1950s and 1960s.
“If the trends in Black progress during the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s had continued, America would be a far different society today. 
“But progress for the average Black wage earner stalled in the 1970s.”

On immigration, the Angus Deaton, a Princeton professor writes:
“I used to subscribe to the near consensus among economists that immigration to the US was a good thing, with great benefits to the migrants and little or no cost to domestic low-skilled workers. I no longer think so. Economists’ beliefs are not unanimous on this but are shaped by econometric designs that may be credible but often rest on short-term outcomes. Longer-term analysis over the past century and a half tells a different story. Inequality was high when America was open, was much lower when the borders were closed, and rose again post Hart-Celler (the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965) as the fraction of foreign-born people rose back to its levels in the Gilded Age. It has also been plausibly argued that the Great Migration of millions of African Americans from the rural South to the factories in the North would not have happened if factory owners had been able to hire the European migrants they preferred.”

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2024/03/Symposium-Rethinking-Economics-Angus-Deaton

watch how Angus schools Krugman about income inequality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRBsDcHoWZU
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