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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why should he be forgiving loans?[/quote]

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?[/quote]

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college. [/quote]

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.[/quote]
dp. if you put it that way.. yes.  At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.[/quote]

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.[/quote]
Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major.  Do it on your own dime, sweetie.[/quote]

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's  fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."[/quote]

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces. [/quote]
To the extent that’s true, parents are to blame.  College professors are more frustrated than anyone with the sorry state of incoming kids.[/quote]

I am not sure you are understanding. The programs should not exist in the first place. These programs are a race to the bottom to "educate" kids - poorly - in subject matter they can't handle in a dumbed and watered down way. I did not want to work with the bottom half of my engineering school class - that was nearly 20 years ago. And, that was at one of the regions best engineering schools. Imagine what the quality is like when you start moving down the tiers - understanding there are exceptions to every situation, and there are remarkable candidates from lots of schools. Imagine also the quality of non-STEM and BS business administration degrees. The reality remains the same - a significant number of the schools and programs should not exist.

The lack of comfort people have with that position is the false notion that "higher education" is the gateway to economic prosperity. It has actually become the opposite. We have kids spending four years studying nothing valuable and other humans spending resources and money to do the same, when they could all be doing something far more economically productive. That's the problem that needs to be solved. And it starts with drying up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. [/quote]

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