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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

I do a lot of interviews. You wouldn't believe the number of recent grads who can't even perform simple programming tasks like loop over a list or array. I've started hiring older people and career switchers.

I actually do believe it. I somehow ended up with /computerscience or the equivalent on reddit, and it is a huge number of kids complaining about being unemployable. We wrote an interpreter / compiler for Ruby in graduate school that ultimately ran code on the java virtual machine. I have confidence 80% or more of these "computer science" graduates do not even understand the principles behind the java virtual machine, and certainly would never be able to work with bytecode to run on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

Half of Americas high school grads read and do math at a 7 or 8th grade level.

They shouldn’t be using anyone’s money for college unless they start putting up real work and performance.

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Same reason the test in for college system exists in every European and Asian countries. And is highly subsidized. Only those with the work ethic and intellectual horsepower get their higher ed paid for. There’s some skin in the game, but even your test results determine your major in Germany, France Turkey, Uk even has A levels at age 14, etc.

Fine by me. My parents paid for my education and my husband had tuition reimbursement through his job. People should have done tuition reimbursement, military or financial aid if they qualified to pay for college.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

Half of Americas high school grads read and do math at a 7 or 8th grade level.

They shouldn’t be using anyone’s money for college unless they start putting up real work and performance.

Scary that progressives were trying to get rid of standardized testing programs for law school, medical school and MBA programs.

I guess math is racist //shrug//

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

I do a lot of interviews. You wouldn't believe the number of recent grads who can't even perform simple programming tasks like loop over a list or array. I've started hiring older people and career switchers.

That's wjat drag-and-drop programming and python libraries gets you. Bloated code and laziness.

Fine by me. My parents paid for my education and my husband had tuition reimbursement through his job. People should have done tuition reimbursement, military or financial aid if they qualified to pay for college.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

I do a lot of interviews. You wouldn't believe the number of recent grads who can't even perform simple programming tasks like loop over a list or array. I've started hiring older people and career switchers.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

Half of Americas high school grads read and do math at a 7 or 8th grade level.

They shouldn’t be using anyone’s money for college unless they start putting up real work and performance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

To the extent that’s true, parents are to blame. College professors are more frustrated than anyone with the sorry state of incoming kids.

I am not sure you are understanding. The programs should not exist in the first place. These programs are a race to the bottom to "educate" kids - poorly - in subject matter they can't handle in a dumbed and watered down way. I did not want to work with the bottom half of my engineering school class - that was nearly 20 years ago. And, that was at one of the regions best engineering schools. Imagine what the quality is like when you start moving down the tiers - understanding there are exceptions to every situation, and there are remarkable candidates from lots of schools. Imagine also the quality of non-STEM and BS business administration degrees. The reality remains the same - a significant number of the schools and programs should not exist.

The lack of comfort people have with that position is the false notion that "higher education" is the gateway to economic prosperity. It has actually become the opposite. We have kids spending four years studying nothing valuable and other humans spending resources and money to do the same, when they could all be doing something far more economically productive. That's the problem that needs to be solved. And it starts with drying up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs.

Half of MCPS grads going there take remedial high school classes.

Already highly subsidized by taxpayers. Both at MCPS and the community college.

Half of themes grads who show up at Montgomery County community college have to take REMEDIAL high school math and English.

Wtf is that MCPS??!!??

Don’t graduate them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

Agree.

Only 10% of US CS grads can do the work we need in our portfolio companies. Rest are checking boxes and dim.

Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t bad enough, Trump wants to garnish our wages when he should be forgiving our loans. Sigh https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna204494

Why do some people get their loans forgiven at all? wtf is that?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

To the extent that’s true, parents are to blame. College professors are more frustrated than anyone with the sorry state of incoming kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.