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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Eat healthy. Exercise. Done. [/quote]

Yup.  This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.[/quote]

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol [/quote]

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point  :roll:  :roll:

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.[/quote]

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free. [/quote]

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better? [/quote]

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.[/quote]

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss." [/quote]

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug. [/quote]

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines.  Perhaps they should simply "try harder".  Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health.  I am taking Wegovy.  Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size.  I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine.  The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits.  We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way.  Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight.  It isn't a moral issue.  But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead.  It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.[/quote]

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault. [/quote]

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use? [/quote]

I mean— many.  Lung cancer and smoking obviously. Cervical cancer from contracting HPV, which is an STD. Coal miners and people who work with asbestos get cancer at high rates. [b]Soldiers exposed to Agent Orange on their jobs (after they CHOSE to enlist).  [/b]Using baby powder was recently linked to mesothelioma FFS.  And on and on and on. 
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This is just offensive. AO was used in Vietnam, where a very large percentage of soldiers were [i]drafted.[/i] Blaming them for the abuses of the US Army is really a terrible look. What is wrong with you?[/quote]

We are saying the same thing. And, you are making my point. People exposed to AO are clearly not responsible for their cancer.  Neither are people with cervical cancer because of HPV, mesothelioma because their parents used baby powder during diaper changes, coal miners or people addicted to nicotine long before the tobacco industry was forced to reveal how addictive it was. And, yet, their choices DO have a direct correlation with their cancer.  (Untreated obesity also has a direct correlation with some cancers). “Lifestyle choices,” like smoking and obesity and diet (even for people ant a normal BMI) are also correlated with cognitive impairment and dementia. And  yet, no one (who is sane) says don’t provide people with cancer with incredibly expensive life saving or life prolonging drugs. No one says— exclude dementia treatment because that person smoked or ate a lot of trans fats.

Now Agent Orange. Maybe I should have said burn pits. But the fact is that if you wanted to avoid the draft enough, there were ways. Get a student deferral. Shoot yourself in the foot. Flee to Canada.  Claim a religious exemption. Now does it sound crazy and unfeeling to say— they could have avoided Agent Orange if they had taken extreme (and unethical) measures?  Yes it does. But, it also sounds crazy to say “just eat less” to lose weight, when the person has done that for years without success. And when 90% of people who lose a lot of weight gain it back.  Do you really think that 90% had the willpower to drop 50 pounds, but at the same time lack willpower and gained it back. So you want to exclude treatment. And, instead of giving them a safe and effective medication that can be reversed in a week or two if there are side effects, you want force them to do something crazy that harms their body like cutting their stomach in half to lose weight. Because fatties don’t deserve safe and effective.  They should suffer.

How extreme does someone’s behavior have to be before you decide that they have tried hard enough to be deemed worth of medical care? Do they have to shoot themselves in the foot or do bariatric surgery to be worth of medical care in your eyes?

Obesity isn’t treated the same as other “lifestyle diseases”.  And the proof is in your response.  Your plan to just have people reduced calories tried every diet and exercise out there over decades or to have them undergo surgery that can mess up their GI system for the rest of their lives is as crazy as saying that people who are drafted should have fled the country of maimed themselves to avoid Vietnam and Agent Orange. [/quote]

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