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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can’t believe people still drink regularly given the all the science linking it to cancer and other poor health outcomes.

If you find it challenging to skip the booze for a month, then you have a problem. [/quote]

The science is all over the place. Most studies link a glass of wine a day to good health outcomes in terms of heart disease. Fifty percent of Americans will die from heart disease, so a a drink a day is probably more  beneficial than abstaining for most people.[/quote]

NO, the science IS NOT all over the place! You are either a liar or you don't bother actually following scientific advances. There is not a single responsible medical professional - except maybe one who has alcohol use disorder - who would tell you it's okay to drink habitually.

Even one drink a day is bad for your body - any of the old science linking alcohol use to health benefits is entirely outweighed by recent studies establishing beyond doubt that alcohol is very unhealthy for the human body. Period.

People who defend regular alcohol use in the face of the known science have alcohol problems, or loved ones with alcohol problems, and are living in total denial.

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/well/mind/alcohol-health-effects.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/03/31/moderate-drinking-alcohol-wine-risks/

https://time.com/6248439/no-safe-amount-of-alcohol/

Drinkers are just like smokers - excuses excuses, tackle your addiction or at least STFU about it and stop recruiting new users.

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The studies actually are all over the place. The ones you posted are based on a recent large scale study. That study started with the premise that light to moderate alcohol drinkers have better heart outcomes than those who abstain entirely. But its conclusion was that their better outcomes were not from drinking alcohol, but because of their other lifestyle choices. That was just one study, but it still found that light to moderate alcohol drinkers are healthier than abstainers.

Here is what the American College of Cardiology has to say on the matter:

https://www.acc.org/about-acc/press-releases/2021/05/05/19/14/alcohol-in-moderation-may-help-the-heart-by-calming-stress-signals-in-the-brain

So yes, the studies are all over the place, with the vast majority saying that light to moderate alcohol consumption is healthier than abstaining. Even the recent study that your articles and the WHO used to say that no amount of alcohol is good for you conceded that light to moderate drinkers have better heart health than those who abstain.

While alcoholism is a serious problem for some, many people get great health benefits from drinking light amounts. Don’t conflate the two very different experiences.[/quote]

You can probably find many studies to support alcohol not being a problem. But anyone who isn’t an alcoholic knows it’s a toxin and no drinking is better than any amount of drinking.  [/quote]

It’s people like you who drive me to drink. Totally black and white thinking.[/quote]

Lol true.

I think all these people are children of alcoholics and have so much trauma around alcohol they can’t see it in any light except it’s “toxic “.

It’s sad actually [/quote]

May your children never have to learn the lessons of being children of an addict. [/quote]

You know what’s really annoying and sad? Being so self absorbed that you cannot entertain that other people have different opinions and experiences than you do.

I’m really sorry that you are somehow familiar with what it is like to be the child of an addict.

I know what it’s like to be the child of a narcissist. My narcissistic parent is a teetotaler. No drinking, no smoking, no anything. The lack of an addiction didn’t save me from the emotional scars of being raised by a narcissist.

But I don’t assume that every teetotaler is a narcissist. I appreciate that the realm of human experience is broad. I also appreciate that many, many people can partake in drinking and maintain a healthy relationship with alcohol. Just because you know an out of control alcoholic doesn’t mean that other people don’t know when to stop. If your parent were morbidly obese because of food addiction, would that mean that other people should never eat sweets? That’s nonsense.

It’s not all about you.[/quote]

The derisive, condescending tone sounds very much like a narc, PP you might want to do some introspection re: your own thought/communication patterns. [/quote]

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