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And the fact that scores are so susceptible to prep makes it more clear you should submit; if the school assumes you prepped and still couldn't get a decent score, that's not a good look.[/quote]

I don't get you logic.   You think it's a better idea to submit a significantly below average score to Duke because you'd worry that,  if you don't submit a score,  Duke will assume that the student got a significantly below average score.  Doesn't make much sense.   
And I assume Duke would prefer to not have to put this mediocre score into its average.  
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Yes. And with no hesitation. The schools average is based on self selecting applicants. All of whom are reaching for a top school. Many of whom have been snookered into not submitting great scores.

Nationally (and internationally) a 1500 is a fantastic score. With 1.5m in the proband you know your percentile really means something. No one gets to opt out of being counted nationally. [/quote]

1500 is a very good score nationally. But it's NOT  a good score for Duke.  It's a score that is significantly below Duke's average of scores submitted by enrolled students.   Back in the old days,  that would have been OK,  as everyone had to submit a score and 1500 isn't a horribly bad score.  But today,  Duke doesn't have to take kids with lower than average scores.   This kid might still be admitted DESPITE the 1500, but there's no good argument that the score will help her.

We're in the last years of the SAT, that's for certain.   And you'll help your child most by being logical in how you play this game.   And for here,  Duke doesn't want that 1500 in its mix,  if it can avoid it. 
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It’s certain, y’all. We have someone with a crystal ball up in here!

Gonna be fascinating to see the looks on the faces of the “my kid just doesn’t test well” crowd when the UC system reinstates standardized testing and the rest of the country slowly awakens to how relevant testing is to the admissions process.[/quote]

You are so out of touch.

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PP sounds nuts but requiring tests is oming back for some - never all.[/quote]

Requiring tests is coming back?  Where?[/quote]
DP. Schools requiring tests include MIT and publics in a few states (FL, GA, etc). A recent podcast conversation between Dartmouth and Yale AOs sounded like they'd move toward some sort of test-recommended policy.[/quote]

Not really a trend.  MIT ended test optional more than a year and a half ago.  And the FL system is in the midst of instituting its own "Classic Learning Test" for admissions----basically making sure everyone thinks like Desantis.  No thanks.

There is absolutely no way a Yale or Dartmouth ever again requires or recommends tests.  The landscape has changed far too much.  On top of most CA students no longer taking tests, lots of other kids bagging them, there is the anti-affirmative action decision, which complicates things if a school requires or encourages a test that has been proven to reward tutoring, test prep courses, multiple takes of the test, and other inidicia of wealth.  Not happening.

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Please divulge the test scores in your family that you want to hide from, or at least pretend don’t exist.

By the way, the UC Board of Regents is on record for years now that they will be developing their own systemwide admissions test to evaluate college readiness.

Testing isn’t going anywhere.

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I'm checking in from California. That's not true on board of regents developing a UC-specific test.  The UC president has specifically stated that the UC system is not developing one, doesn't know of one, and that they have rejected the idea of using the statewide high school assessment as a substitute for the SAT/ACT. And at this point, there would be a revolt if either the UC or CalState systems reinstituted a testing requirement (or even an option). Our kids are at a top private hs that regularly sends about 20% of class to Ivies and Stanford, and I've heard it's less than a third of the current seniors that even took a standardized test. In publics, it's almost no one. [/quote]

A revolt led by whom, since you already know the faculty voted unanimously to resume use of standardized testing three years ago (before Napolitano took into her own hands)? Parents? Parents of “bad test takers”? Really? A revolt?

P.S. At my Top 5 public HS in CA, 93% of this year’s juniors sat for the PSAT last month, and 77% of our current senior class has already submitted at least one ACT or SAT result through those respective testing companies. After December’s administration, that 77% may increase.[/quote]

Asians wouldn’t revolt they’d just buckle down and excel at the test. Only lazy entitled white kids would be mad.[/quote]

Thank you for the casual racism, but I think the point is that the individual suggesting a revolt would ensue (the same individual whose kid is a “bad test taker”) is the same person who would be leading the flimsy revolt.  They are so deeply, emotionally connected with their personal benefit that arose from the gift of test blind admissions, they aren’t about to let anyone take that away from them without a fight (or a revolt, whatever).[/quote]

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