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And the fact that scores are so susceptible to prep makes it more clear you should submit; if the school assumes you prepped and still couldn't get a decent score, that's not a good look.[/quote]

I don't get you logic.   You think it's a better idea to submit a significantly below average score to Duke because you'd worry that,  if you don't submit a score,  Duke will assume that the student got a significantly below average score.  Doesn't make much sense.   
And I assume Duke would prefer to not have to put this mediocre score into its average.  
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Yes. And with no hesitation. The schools average is based on self selecting applicants. All of whom are reaching for a top school. Many of whom have been snookered into not submitting great scores.

Nationally (and internationally) a 1500 is a fantastic score. With 1.5m in the proband you know your percentile really means something. No one gets to opt out of being counted nationally. [/quote]

1500 is a very good score nationally. But it's NOT  a good score for Duke.  It's a score that is significantly below Duke's average of scores submitted by enrolled students.   Back in the old days,  that would have been OK,  as everyone had to submit a score and 1500 isn't a horribly bad score.  But today,  Duke doesn't have to take kids with lower than average scores.   This kid might still be admitted DESPITE the 1500, but there's no good argument that the score will help her.

We're in the last years of the SAT, that's for certain.   And you'll help your child most by being logical in how you play this game.   And for here,  Duke doesn't want that 1500 in its mix,  if it can avoid it. 
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It’s certain, y’all. We have someone with a crystal ball up in here!

Gonna be fascinating to see the looks on the faces of the “my kid just doesn’t test well” crowd when the UC system reinstates standardized testing and the rest of the country slowly awakens to how relevant testing is to the admissions process.[/quote]

You are so out of touch.

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PP sounds nuts but requiring tests is oming back for some - never all.[/quote]

Requiring tests is coming back?  Where?[/quote]
DP. Schools requiring tests include MIT and publics in a few states (FL, GA, etc). A recent podcast conversation between Dartmouth and Yale AOs sounded like they'd move toward some sort of test-recommended policy.[/quote]

Not really a trend.  MIT ended test optional more than a year and a half ago.  And the FL system is in the midst of instituting its own "Classic Learning Test" for admissions----basically making sure everyone thinks like Desantis.  No thanks.

[b]There is absolutely no way a Yale or Dartmouth ever again requires or recommends tests.  The landscape has changed far too much. [/b] On top of most CA students no longer taking tests, lots of other kids bagging them, there is the anti-affirmative action decision, which complicates things if a school requires or encourages a test that has been proven to reward tutoring, test prep courses, multiple takes of the test, and other inidicia of wealth.  Not happening.

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Listen for yourself. https://open.spotify.com/episode/7fHETLND5IlCqWHp2rt3Kj?go=1&sp_cid=41d52295ba4cd2ec45d5bc23d65a069b&utm_source=embed_player_p&utm_medium=desktop&nd=1&dlsi=e66724822f81433e Linked from https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/follow/admissions-beat-podcast Data Dive Part 2

[quote]Yale AO: We were looking into this question before the pandemic just to understand how important standardized testing was in predicting how well a student would do at Yale. And it turns out actually that the SAT or the ACT is the single best predictor of a student’s academic performance at Yale. And particularly the math SAT and persistence in some of our science majors. This is a bit counter to the national research which suggests that GPA is a bit more predictive than standardized testing. But, at Yale, we find that standardized testing is the single biggest predictor.
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Dartmouth AO: Test optional is here to stay, but tests required is going to reappear. Maybe not as universally as we were in 2019, but it feels like there will be colleges that say, once again testing is a component of our admission battery and you do preserve your options as places perhaps make that assessment.[/quote]

I doubt these schools will go all the way to tests required, but it's clear they'd like to see scores, some sort of "tests recommended" policy.[/quote]

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