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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think this season has been pretty good.  I did not love the zava line so glad he’s gone, and I really dislike the Nate story as well as the hostess.  He’s just never been a compelling character to me and I know they are setting him up for a redemption but I just would never trust him — the weird spitting to turn himself into a tough guy.    I have a particular bias against those jerks who think they are nice guys and blame the world for not recognizing that they are really nice guys or appreciating them—they are the ones that always say “nice guys finish last” when the truth is that they just aren’t very nice, and are confusing low self esteem for niceness.  That’s Nate.

I’m also not loving the Jack/keeley thing — it seems random and also really unprofessional of both of them, but particularly for keeley who can’t really afford to piss off her one investor.  I thought she was smarter than that.  I love the shandy scenes though — truly hysterical.

Jamie is also having a great character arc and one which seems true to who he has always been.  [/quote]

I think you are misinterpreting Nate’s spitting. I don’t think it’s about being a tough guy. I think it is about feeling worthless. The first time we see him do it, he does it to his own reflection. [/quote]

I think it's both.  Since he has no self esteem, he berates himself to build himself up -- so he's basically spitting at himself to get him into tough guy mode.  The way that some guys will yell at their son "What are you -- a p*ssy?" thinking it will motivate them to be stronger.  The only way he knows to be strong is to be a bully who denigrates others, and spitting (at himself) is the way he transforms from mild-mannered Nate to bully Nate.  I think its realistic for a certain type of man, but I also find it really deeply disturbing and therefore out of tone for this show, where I don't want to think about really deeply disturbing things.  I'm just not buying his redemptive arc.  Guys this deeply screwed up do not get redeemed except through long, hard work on themselves --- otherwise, it's just a temporary bandaid over a much deeper problem.  It just strikes me as totally different from the kind of disfunction that Roy, Jamie, and Ted have -- all of which is kind of relatable and charming disfunction.[/quote]

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