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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m in a similar situation as OP in that there does not appear to be a real chance for grandchildren from my two kids. One is gay and has expressed a desire to be childfree when married; the other is profoundly disabled. It saddens me because DH and I would have loved to be involved grandparents. It doesn’t mean there aren’t meaningful and enjoyable activities to fill our days but the loss is still a loss. [/quote]

It’s not a loss when it never existed. [/quote]

Sure it is.  People mourn that they cannot have children.  [/quote]

But it’s not a loss per se. [/quote]

Yes, it is a loss.
In this thread,  the issue is
 an actual loss of family, which is made clear, so your argument is irrelevant here.

But, women who cannot have children are experiencing a loss of having children. That is a loss. 
Let's look at your suggestion  outside 
of this paradigm:
1. Women also lose opportunities in the workplace to men, hindering their  career, as well as equal pay. Are you suggesting  that they didn't lose something?
2.  We see people living in poverty.  If they've never had opportunity or money, is it not  a loss because  they never had these resources?

Your argument makes little sense regarding of whatever context you put it in. 
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So anything you cannot have in life is a loss as opposed to losing something you actually had? So a 1m salary, 5m in the lottery, becoming the president, I can mourn all of these? And before you say any of this is ridiculous, who are you to determine that?[/quote]

What you are missing, and cannot have, nor will have, yet don't miss having (which is why you simply cannot  grasp this concept) is an element of critical  thinking, emotion or depth, or possibly any real connection to a nuclear group at all. You do have, however, a giant chip on your shoulder which you have dragged in here, dumped it in several places until it fell into rocks and slivers into this discussion  without any relevance to the issue other than your own experience of anger over something. Deal with your own mother, spouse,  kid, or whatever your problem is, but these  comments don't add to the original discussion or to what OP or anyone  has offered. 
And, to answer your ridiculous question, having 5 million dollars is nothing like having a family. Nor is being a president,  owning anything at all, or any of your shallow examples.  But- you already know this. [/quote]

PP here. I was a NP. I was trying to show the difference between loss and disappointment. I got fired (loss) vs I hoped to earn a million (disappointment)

BTW, I would take being President over having my own grandchildren and think it is way less shallow. Think of the opportunities to bring about change to millions of children, however small it is. But to each their own.

Good luck OP. [/quote]

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