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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm all for paying higher taxes to provide healthcare for all, better schools, and free college for lower-income kids. I worked in development for 10 years and huge cash transfers aren't the way to go. Teach a man to fish and all that.[/quote] How about other forms of reparations? Do you support the principle but not just handing out cash? [/quote] NP here. The principle is abhorrent. My parents and grandparents recieved Holocaust reparations from the German government. That was for their suffering. I would not accept reparations for me. I did not suffer anything close to what they went through. On the other hand, I do believe society has an obligation to assist people who are poor today. Present conditions that keep them in poverty should be fixed. They are entitled to a decent life and opportunities. Cash is okay, but jobs at living wages is better. Otherwise, we will be saying Oprah deserves "reparations," but a poor white who grew up in poverty deserves nothing. [/quote] What if your parents had never been paid? What if Israel wasn't formed? What if extensive systemic antisemitism was still happening today? Did you know that the US government still pays (this year $5 million) to support Holocaust survivors living in America? And $3.8B in military aid to Israel in 2019. Even, some slave owners were compensated: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/opinion/when-slaveowners-got-reparations.html How much has the US ever paid to survivors of slavery and other forms of black oppression? [/quote] My mother's family was compensated. Due to the vagaries of history, my father's family was not. That's how it goes. I would not accept money for him. Military aid to Israel is not reparations. It's a military alliance. Formation of Israel was perhaps reparations, but that benefited actual refugees, and unfortunately created other refugees who are still suffering. What about Indians? We took 100 per cent of their land. Do we give it back? What about Chinese railroad builders? They weren't paid very well and faced years of discrimination. Do they get back compensation for what they should have been paid? What about women for the last 5,000 years? So many were slaves to their husbands. Do today's men owe women payment for our grandfathers beating our grandmothers? The point is, history is history. The winners and the losers all end up dead. Their joys and sufferings are over. We can't fix what happened to the dead, not even in theory. [b]We can however make the world better for those who suffer today. That's what we should be talking about.[/b] [/quote] Thoughts on how to bridge the wealth gap without reparations? [/quote] Focus on systemic racism issues that exist today. It's really that simple. It's disgusting to demand anything called "reparations" for something that happened 400 years ago. [/quote] 400 years ago? The Civil Rights Act was only passed 56 years ago. At that point, discrimination became illegal, but nothing was done to correct existing injustices and black people still do face discrimination today. Brown v. Board of Education was decided 66 years ago, but our schools remain segregated today. All moving us in the right direction, but the harm of 400 years of slavery and oppression was never corrected and nothing lost was restored. I agree we should work on systemic racism, but without also addressing the wealth gap we are limited in our ability to transform our country. We can't achieve racial equality until we achieve economic equality. [/quote] The harm of 400 years of slavery CANNOT be corrected. That's the point. I didn't say anything about the wealth gap and I won't until you understand that your small bank account is a CURRENT problem, not an historical one. YOU did not lose anything. Your ancestors did. Nothing can be "restored," to dead people. We can't resolve current problems by appealing to past injustices. [/quote] Did you even read the essay? Past and current injustices have current day manifestations. Small bank accounts are a current problem caused by current [u]and historical[/u] issues. The wealth gap today shows exactly what was "lost". [/quote] No it doesn't. Black people lost a lot of wealth in DC after the riots. That is because of property value changes, not slavery. You're mixing up a lot of historical issues while ignoring recent history.[/quote] When have black people and white people had economic equality? Why are there "black neighborhoods"? And, as discussed in the essay, the economic impacts were caused by US policies way beyond slavery. Slavery was the start, not the end. Let me know after you actually read it... [/quote] Chicago got rid of redlining in the 80s. Do you think we should go back to that? Greatschools is resegregating schools and neighborhoods. That's a real issue that you should focus on, if you want to effect change. Not reparations. [/quote] So your solutions to the wealth gap are...reinstating redlining and eliminating Great Schools? [/quote] No, I mentioned redlining because you referenced it. However, we now have legal de facto resegregation occurring. I don't know how to address this. Maybe you have some ideas.[/quote] My wacky idea to address ”reparations” and segregation...inspired by the migration of black people out of the South in the 20th century... Communities create opportunities for low-cost homeownership in all jurisdictions/neighborhoods over a certain ”wealth” metric all over the US. Each town sets aside X homes for qualified applicants (target is 12%+ black population). Provides wrap-around services like training, education, childcare, etc. The modern equivalent to “40 acres and a mule”. Subsidized by federal government. Obviously, that’d be tough to scale for 40M people and people are tied to their current communities and probably won’t want to move so this isn’t feasible. But just an idea. I’ve been trying to think of how to increase wealth without just giving a cash handout. And how to break up segregation. Flame away. [/quote]
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