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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]

Yes, you are constantly here supporting or defending Trump. I have never seen you take a single liberal position. You used to start every post by saying, "I didn't vote for Trump but...". Now you don't bother with the prelude. You are really a one-trick pony. 
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No, I have a problem with the hysteria that abounds about Trump and his antics. Like it or not he is president and it is foolhardy to ignore the factors that brought him into office. Now that is a point I have made repeatedly.

And, no it is not racist, ignorant, uneducated local yokels who voted for him. I know this because I actually interact and socialize with some who voted for him. I am sure there are racists who voted for him but it is asinine to assume that because someone voted for Trump he/she must be a racist.

Yes, I did not vote for Trump nor did I vote for Hillary - they were both thoroughly odious. I actually wrote in Sanders name when I voted. I also supported Sanders during the primaries less because I thought he was the right person and more because I was hoping he'd succeed in blocking Hillary.

And as far as taking liberal positions on this forum, you have no idea what you are talking about because there are multiple posts when I have done so.

There are only two ways of removing Trump from office: defeat him in an election or impeach him and remove him from office. The latter will not happen given that one needs 67 votes in the Senate to accomplish this. So we are left with defeating him in an election and Cortez's harebrained ideas are not the answer.

I am sure that this will be hard for you to come to grips with but your views are not necessarily the panacea for liberals. You have a viewpoint which may or may not be right - just as I do. [/quote]

I have no problem with your viewpoint, just your constant misrepresentation of it. You claim to have gone to the trouble to write in Sanders -- what no Gary Johnson on your ballot? -- but are here trashing Ocasio Cortez. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The center needs a left wing or it will simply be pulled to the right. You are delusional if you think Democrats acting like Republicans is the road to victory. Given the choice between a real Republican and a fake one, voters have repeatedly chosen the real one. It is time for Democrats to act like Democrats and having a strong left wing motivates them to do that. I've always found it strange how so-called "moderate Democrats" are much more comfortable with and tolerant of the right then they are anyone to their left. It is a very strange phenomenon.
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What you say is the "misrepresentation" of my viewpoint is because I mock liberals for their constant harangues against Trump no matter what he does.

The multiple impeachment threads - almost weekly - were a joke but you as the administrator did nothing about it. It just fed the mindless hysteria about Trump and getting rid of him. So, yes, I mock them for their predictions that Trump would be out of office in spring of last year and then summer, fall and the end of the year.

Re Gary Johnson vs Sanders - I knew in either event it was a protest vote - and Johnson was fricking nuts. I'd have voted for Weld if his name headed the ticket.

Cortez won because of where she ran. You correctly pointed out that her message would not sell in other parts of the country - or did you forget you made that point? Tammy Baldwin made the same point. Perez representing her as being the future of the Democratic party was utterly idiotic. She is not. Forget about ideological purity - understand why those states and counties that we lost in 2016 turned against us - I don't care whether it was by 70,000 votes or 1,000 votes.

Do we want to win elections without compromising our core values? What is wrong with being a Bill Clinton type of Democrat? Was Clinton not enough of a liberal for you?[/quote]
DP. You make a lot of sense. As a moderate Republican, I would vote for a Bill Clinton type (2nd term, when he pivoted to the center) - and most definitely it it were against Trump. But no way would I vote for a Cortez type, and if the Democrats insist on moving hard-left, they will lose all moderates. The problem from where I sit is that the extreme progressive types (like Perez and Ellison) are so convinced of their own moral superiority that they are tone-deaf to the fact that most people are moderates and reject their positions. [/quote]

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