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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting Thread. We have a Junior that is adamant about going abroad.

Outside of Oxbridge/LSE or Imperial, how the next level of UK universities compare to US universities? I’m not asking about Job Prospects. Just a comparison of pedigrees in since this always the topic around DCUM.

What are the US universities that would group well with each of these?

UCL
Kings
Edinburgh
St Andrews[/quote]

Based on QS rankings:

UCL - in between  Caltech and Penn/Berkeley
Edinburgh - in between  Yale and Columbia
Kings - in between Columbia and UCLA/NYU/Michigan

based on Times Higher Education:

UCL - around Cornell/Michigan/Columbia/UCLA
Edinburgh - around Duke/Nothwestern/NYU
Kings - around UCSD and ahead of Brown/UT etc

Based on US News:

UCL right by Columbia and Yale
Kinds and Edinburgh about tied and right by NYU

Based on # of Nobel Prize Winners according to Aron Frishberg website:

UCL - 24 (around Penn and Washington U)
Edinburgh - 20 (around NYU, UCSD and ahead of UCLA and Michigan
Kings - 11 (around Duke and USC)
St Andrews - 3 (around Missouri/Pitt and FLorida)

St Andrews doesnt do well in World Rankings as these are usually weighted towards research output and quality of research and not so much on undergraduate teaching.

But you can clearly see based on a variety of sources, the equivalent universities….[/quote]

I think this would be correct within the UK, as in how these universities are perceived in a relative sense. In other words, Oxford/Cambridge are sort of the HYP of the UK, and LSE is a Penn/Chicago, Imperial an MIT, and so on.

But in terms of actual comparison with US universities, I’m not sure I would put UCL, Edinburgh, Kings, etc as high as the list above. UCL is maybe a T30, Edinburgh and Kings T50s. Or maybe you could make an argument of all as T30s, it isn’t exact. But aside from research output, I would put these schools a bit lower than their QS or THE rankings.[/quote]

As a tenured professor in a STEM field at one of the top universities in the U.S., I have spent years engaging in high-level research and collaborating with scholars worldwide. My husband, also a tenured professor at the same institution, specializes in the social sciences. While neither of us, nor our colleagues, place much stock in university rankings, it becomes evident over time that certain institutions consistently produce exceptional scholars and researchers who contribute meaningfully to academia at the highest levels.

From our experience, the universities you mentioned, UCL, Edinburgh, and King’s College, are highly respected by leading U.S. institutions, including our own. Not only do many of our colleagues at top-tier universities actively collaborate with faculty and graduate students from these institutions, producing research of the highest caliber, but we also personally know and work alongside several professors at our own institution who earned their undergraduate or advanced degrees from these universities. Their contributions to academia and the quality of their scholarship speak for themselves, reinforcing the strong reputation of these institutions. This level of engagement and academic excellence is not coincidental; it is a reflection of the intellectual rigor and scholarly foundation these universities have built over time.

In contrast, many institutions that rank highly in various commercialized rankings, often placed in the so-called “T50,” do not necessarily command the same level of respect within serious academic circles. Sustained academic reputation is built through impactful research, influential scholarship, and the strength of a university’s academic community, not annual rankings that use ridiculous metrics that change year over year. Those of us in academia recognize and understand the reputation of certain institutions based on their consistent contributions to research and scholarship, not on arbitrary fluctuations in rankings designed more for marketing than for meaningful evaluation.[/quote]

What in the college essay prompt response is this[/quote]

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