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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Keep calling women who want to control their own reproductive health satan (as well as misinformation about abortion after birth - you are crazy).

Keep calling women satan.  That’s a winning message. NOT. [/quote]

There are so many great, reliable birth control options. Our mothers and grandmothers would have had completely different lives if they had the options we do.

What do women want? To be able to kill their babies up to the point of birth.

I just can’t get behind that.[/quote]

Please tell me you’re not that dumb. [b]99% of the later term abortions are medically necessary to save the life of mom or the fetus is proven to not be able to survive outside the womb.[/b] No one is voluntarily killing an 8month of baby. How are people this stupid and brainwashed?

Would you want the government making the decision for you if it came down to your wife dying or your (most likely) dead fetus?

If republicans are the party of “Freedom’’ then they should be all over maintaining the ability to save their wife’s life. FWIW I am a fairly strong catholic. [/quote]
[b]Late term abortionist Warren Hern stated in an interview that more than half of his patients have no medical issues:[/b]

"Abortions that come after devastating medical diagnoses can be easier for some people to understand. But Hern estimates that at least half, and sometimes more, of the women who come to the clinic do not have these diagnoses."

[b]Washington post columnist Richard Cohen, who admitted to using talking points provided by the abortion industry, later conceded that he was wrong when he said late term abortions were only performed when the life of the mother was in danger or when the baby was severely deformed. He and his colleague identified that most late term abortions are in fact done for convenience reasons:[/b]

"But back then I also was led to believe that these late-term abortions were extremely rare and performed only when the life of the mother was in danger or the fetus irreparably deformed. I was wrong.

I didn't know it at the time, of course, and maybe the people who supplied my data -- the usual pro-choice groups -- were giving me what they thought was precise information. And precise I was. I wrote that "just four one-hundredths of one percent of abortions are performed after 24 weeks" and that "most, if not all, are performed because the fetus is found to be severely damaged or because the life of the mother is clearly in danger."

"It turns out, though, that no one really knows what percentage of abortions are late-term. No one keeps figures. But my Washington Post colleague David Brown looked behind the purported figures and the purported rationale for these abortions and found something other than medical crises of one sort or another. After interviewing doctors who performed late-term abortions and surveying the literature, Brown -- a physician himself -- wrote: "These doctors say that while a significant number of their patients have late abortions for medical reasons, many others -- perhaps the majority -- do not."[/quote]
This is what Beyonce and other Democrats are advocating for. Abortion without limits. It is evil. [/quote]

Honestly sit down and shut up.  You don't understand this complex issue and you never will.[/quote]
Actually I support abortion rights with limits because most Americans want it. I understand there are cases when women feel it is for the best but there is something inherently evil about killing a baby in the 3rd trimester for elective reasons. Nothing complicated about that. [/quote]

Yes. That is the Roe framework. This what Harris has clearly said she supports, which is codifying Roe.  the "abortion until birth":crowd is talking about provisions for fetuses with health issues incompatible with life or life heath of the mother. not elective abortion after viability, which is about 22 weeks.  This is what I support. It’s what most women support.

So whats your problem with Jrris's stance on abortion?  its the same as yoirs.

That said, women and their doctors (and any involved partners and spouses, and their religious leader, if they choose). need to be making these tough decisions in the third trimester.  Not politicians. Women should decide what is “terminal enough” for her or her baby warrant abortion.  If the baby had a 1% chance of surviving a year vs a 5% of surviving a year, and what that year looks like (can the baby ever leave the hospital) and will the baby be in pain, and how much risk is there to the mother—is a 5% chance of the mother's death enough? how compromised is her health?  what about mental illness?  is severe schizophrenia that threatens her life and requires medicine that would kill a fetus to stabilize enough?  These are not things we should legislate. Because none are the same. And everyone should want MDs and not JDs and/or politicians making this call.

I developed pre-eclampsia at 28 weeks and went into pre-term labor.  I had the option to deliver, but spent seven weeks, most of them in the hospital, on magnesium and other high powered meds, in Trandelinberg, to get my daughter to 35 weeks, when an amino said her lungs were developed enough that she likely would not have lifelong respiratory impairments. She still had several terrifying episodes in the first six month where she stopped breathing and turned blue and ended up in PICU. But, by the end of her first year, she was healthy.

I’m glad I held on those 7 weeks. I’m so thankful for every everyday, and I'm glad I made the sacrifices needed to give her the best shot at a healthy life. But don’t think that I came though the experience "okay". The fear and trauma were enormous— and didn't stop when she was born and bouncing in and out of the PICU. So was the long term damage to my body.  In the first year of her life, I had postpartum psychosis and tried to kill myself. I also had a hysterectomy and was unable to have the third child I wanted. She is now 20, and I am recovering from my 4th major surgery directly attributable to that pregnancy— or my decision to carry that pregnancy those extra weeks. thays right, 20 years later, my body has still not recovered. and long term im managing the chronic health issues associated with carrying hed past 28 weeks— they are nor amd cannot be cured.  I knew the risk, I made the call, and I would do it again. But, no one can pretend it didn’t severely and permanently damage my body.

Now, my daughter was  generally healthy FETUS and 28 weeks when my pregnancy complications started, so if I hadn't carried the pregnancy ant further, she would have been delivered and we would have moved heaven and earth to get her healthy. But if my complications started at weeks 19-20?  And if she also had abnormalities that decreased her chances of surviving or being generally healthy?  The decision on whether to abort would have been hard.  IDK what I would have done. Because I literally would have died if I had carried her a fews days longer than I did. I was out of runway when she was born.  Would I have undertaken this level of harm to my health and ruined my chances for another baby to get a fetus to 25-26 weeks, when there would have been a high risk that she would have died and if she had survived, it she likely would have had life long complications?  I don't know. but I do know the discussion should have been between my doctor, my husband and myself.  And should not include politicians. Because that’s what abortion ay 20 weeks looks like. A wanted child. A mother who went to all the appointments and slept on her right side and stopped eating fish and didn’t drink a drop or take as much a Tylenol— and a situation where all the choices are bad. And all the potential outcomes are awful. [/quote]

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