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Anonymous wrote:Keep calling women who want to control their own reproductive health satan (as well as misinformation about abortion after birth - you are crazy).

Keep calling women satan. That’s a winning message. NOT.

There are so many great, reliable birth control options. Our mothers and grandmothers would have had completely different lives if they had the options we do.

What do women want? To be able to kill their babies up to the point of birth.

I just can’t get behind that.

Nobody is doing this! Are you one of Donald's cronies?

No one is doing it. Great, so we can ban it then.

Sure if you want to lose elections. Why don't you find something more productive to do with your time and energy?

Ok, if “no one is doing it”, then there should be ZERO electoral consequences for banning it.

Explain why I’m wrong for thinking this, please?

You say “but no one is having late term abortions unless they are medically necessary”… Ok, I’ll take your word for that.

Then why would banning late term abortions that are NOT medically necessary be something that costs votes?

I don’t understand this. If no one does it, then it literally affects NO ONE. So why would cost votes?


Please explain.

This is the democrats party in a moment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14006785/Kamala-Harris-democrat-event-screamed-child.html

Anonymous wrote:People were leaving this rally and chanting Trump. They were there for a free concert, didn't get one, and left. This is not the flex you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:No don’t help at all, other than to give Kamala a feel good moment that 30K people have come out to be part of her rally.

They are doing a lot more than coming out to be part of a rally. They are voting.

The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.

Right, they're loading up the car with all their friends and family, down to the polls. Because they all live in the same polling place.

It’s early voting. I went to the Fairfax Government Center with my bookclub to vote. What’s your issue here?

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Anonymous wrote:Keep calling women who want to control their own reproductive health satan (as well as misinformation about abortion after birth - you are crazy).

Keep calling women satan. That’s a winning message. NOT.

There are so many great, reliable birth control options. Our mothers and grandmothers would have had completely different lives if they had the options we do.

What do women want? To be able to kill their babies up to the point of birth.

I just can’t get behind that.

Please tell me you’re not that dumb. 99% of the later term abortions are medically necessary to save the life of mom or the fetus is proven to not be able to survive outside the womb. No one is voluntarily killing an 8month of baby. How are people this stupid and brainwashed?

Would you want the government making the decision for you if it came down to your wife dying or your (most likely) dead fetus?

If republicans are the party of “Freedom’’ then they should be all over maintaining the ability to save their wife’s life. FWIW I am a fairly strong catholic.

Late term abortionist Warren Hern stated in an interview that more than half of his patients have no medical issues:

"Abortions that come after devastating medical diagnoses can be easier for some people to understand. But Hern estimates that at least half, and sometimes more, of the women who come to the clinic do not have these diagnoses."

Washington post columnist Richard Cohen, who admitted to using talking points provided by the abortion industry, later conceded that he was wrong when he said late term abortions were only performed when the life of the mother was in danger or when the baby was severely deformed. He and his colleague identified that most late term abortions are in fact done for convenience reasons:

"But back then I also was led to believe that these late-term abortions were extremely rare and performed only when the life of the mother was in danger or the fetus irreparably deformed. I was wrong.

I didn't know it at the time, of course, and maybe the people who supplied my data -- the usual pro-choice groups -- were giving me what they thought was precise information. And precise I was. I wrote that "just four one-hundredths of one percent of abortions are performed after 24 weeks" and that "most, if not all, are performed because the fetus is found to be severely damaged or because the life of the mother is clearly in danger."

"It turns out, though, that no one really knows what percentage of abortions are late-term. No one keeps figures. But my Washington Post colleague David Brown looked behind the purported figures and the purported rationale for these abortions and found something other than medical crises of one sort or another. After interviewing doctors who performed late-term abortions and surveying the literature, Brown -- a physician himself -- wrote: "These doctors say that while a significant number of their patients have late abortions for medical reasons, many others -- perhaps the majority -- do not."

This is what Beyonce and other Democrats are advocating for. Abortion without limits. It is evil.

Honestly sit down and shut up. You don't understand this complex issue and you never will.

Actually I support abortion rights with limits because most Americans want it. I understand there are cases when women feel it is for the best but there is something inherently evil about killing a baby in the 3rd trimester for elective reasons. Nothing complicated about that.

Yes. That is the Roe framework. This what Harris has clearly said she supports, which is codifying Roe. the "abortion until birth":crowd is talking about provisions for fetuses with health issues incompatible with life or life heath of the mother. not elective abortion after viability, which is about 22 weeks. This is what I support. It’s what most women support.

So whats your problem with Jrris's stance on abortion? its the same as yoirs.

That said, women and their doctors (and any involved partners and spouses, and their religious leader, if they choose). need to be making these tough decisions in the third trimester. Not politicians. Women should decide what is “terminal enough” for her or her baby warrant abortion. If the baby had a 1% chance of surviving a year vs a 5% of surviving a year, and what that year looks like (can the baby ever leave the hospital) and will the baby be in pain, and how much risk is there to the mother—is a 5% chance of the mother's death enough? how compromised is her health? what about mental illness? is severe schizophrenia that threatens her life and requires medicine that would kill a fetus to stabilize enough? These are not things we should legislate. Because none are the same. And everyone should want MDs and not JDs and/or politicians making this call.

I developed pre-eclampsia at 28 weeks and went into pre-term labor. I had the option to deliver, but spent seven weeks, most of them in the hospital, on magnesium and other high powered meds, in Trandelinberg, to get my daughter to 35 weeks, when an amino said her lungs were developed enough that she likely would not have lifelong respiratory impairments. She still had several terrifying episodes in the first six month where she stopped breathing and turned blue and ended up in PICU. But, by the end of her first year, she was healthy.


I’m glad I held on those 7 weeks. I’m so thankful for every everyday, and I'm glad I made the sacrifices needed to give her the best shot at a healthy life. But don’t think that I came though the experience "okay". The fear and trauma were enormous— and didn't stop when she was born and bouncing in and out of the PICU. So was the long term damage to my body. In the first year of her life, I had postpartum psychosis and tried to kill myself. I also had a hysterectomy and was unable to have the third child I wanted. She is now 20, and I am recovering from my 4th major surgery directly attributable to that pregnancy— or my decision to carry that pregnancy those extra weeks. thays right, 20 years later, my body has still not recovered. and long term im managing the chronic health issues associated with carrying hed past 28 weeks— they are nor amd cannot be cured. I knew the risk, I made the call, and I would do it again. But, no one can pretend it didn’t severely and permanently damage my body.


Now, my daughter was generally healthy FETUS and 28 weeks when my pregnancy complications started, so if I hadn't carried the pregnancy ant further, she would have been delivered and we would have moved heaven and earth to get her healthy. But if my complications started at weeks 19-20? And if she also had abnormalities that decreased her chances of surviving or being generally healthy? The decision on whether to abort would have been hard. IDK what I would have done. Because I literally would have died if I had carried her a fews days longer than I did. I was out of runway when she was born. Would I have undertaken this level of harm to my health and ruined my chances for another baby to get a fetus to 25-26 weeks, when there would have been a high risk that she would have died and if she had survived, it she likely would have had life long complications? I don't know. but I do know the discussion should have been between my doctor, my husband and myself. And should not include politicians. Because that’s what abortion ay 20 weeks looks like. A wanted child. A mother who went to all the appointments and slept on her right side and stopped eating fish and didn’t drink a drop or take as much a Tylenol— and a situation where all the choices are bad. And all the potential outcomes are awful.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep calling women who want to control their own reproductive health satan (as well as misinformation about abortion after birth - you are crazy).

Keep calling women satan. That’s a winning message. NOT.

There are so many great, reliable birth control options. Our mothers and grandmothers would have had completely different lives if they had the options we do.

What do women want? To be able to kill their babies up to the point of birth.

I just can’t get behind that.

Please tell me you’re not that dumb. 99% of the later term abortions are medically necessary to save the life of mom or the fetus is proven to not be able to survive outside the womb. No one is voluntarily killing an 8month of baby. How are people this stupid and brainwashed?

Would you want the government making the decision for you if it came down to your wife dying or your (most likely) dead fetus?

If republicans are the party of “Freedom’’ then they should be all over maintaining the ability to save their wife’s life. FWIW I am a fairly strong catholic.

WTF are you talking about? A baby is viable outside of the womb at around 22 weeks. If the mother is having medical complications in the third trimester (>24weeks) then labor is induced, she delivers a live baby and each receive the medical treatment they need. If a baby dies inside the mother, then labor is induced and she delivers a stillborn. That is not an abortion. If abnormalities that are severe are found in the third trimester, then the doctor decides when the appropriate delivery time is, the baby is delivered and it receives whatever medical treatment it needs based on the medical team’s recommendations, ethics, and parental rights

There are zero reasons why a third trimester “abortion” is needed

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your experience in campaign strategy?

Do you think Michelle Obama and Beyonce Carter do not understand persuasion?

OP here - I have no experience, just a regular joe. That said, it seems pretty obvious where Harris is lagging demographically.

I was predicting a Harris victory right up until I saw Trump go on Andrew Schulz’ YouTube show. Trump would have needed a lot of convincing to do it as it was way out of his comfort zone, but it was a politically brilliant move in shoring up support among young white male voters. Likewise with Rogan. Trump beat Hillary in 2016 by running a more innovative, data-driven campaign. If he beats Kamala this time around, it will be at least partly because he was smarter in using new media to his advantage.

Good luck getting these white boys to actually register and vote.

Even if they do, it'll just replace the MAGATs that died because of COVID.

Trump is at 47%. Nothing higher.

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Anonymous wrote:People were leaving this rally and chanting Trump. They were there for a free concert, didn't get one, and left. This is not the flex you think it is.

I would never go to a political rally of someone I wouldn't vote for. Would you? If you believe this you're deluded.

That’s a pair of pro-Donald Trump protesters, dear; there have been a few at all the Harris rallies. Weirdly Harris doesn’t tell the crowd to “take care of them,” or that she’ll “pay their legal bills.” They’re just removed as the disturbances that they are.

What’s interesting is that those protestors had to wait in line with all 30,000 of the 1.5 million Harris supporters who sought tickets, for several hours, then they had to sit inside the rally venue for a few more hours, then they had to sit through all the speeches by the people before Beyoncé, and only then could they heckle VP Harris.

Which means they got to be exposed to more reality in one day than they’ve experienced in several years. I have to wonder how many of the Harris hecklers have had an awakening they weren’t expecting. That’s the Democratic Party: growing votes every day in every way.

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Anonymous wrote:No don’t help at all, other than to give Kamala a feel good moment that 30K people have come out to be part of her rally.

They are doing a lot more than coming out to be part of a rally. They are voting.

The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.

Right, they're loading up the car with all their friends and family, down to the polls. Because they all live in the same polling place.

What a load of bunk. Do these people know any real women? I work in a place full of women, and if I said: hey, ladies!! What an important election! We have to vote! Let’s get in my car and drive to the polls and all vote! Together!!

The response from women would be that I am a f-g weirdo, trying to get a group together to go vote when I decide everyone needs to vote. No adult woman needs a voting co-ordinator to hold her hand and drive her to the polls. No adult women want to be pressured into voting for any candidate with a group of coworkers or family members. It’s ridiculous.

And you are right; people don’t all vote in the same place. Democrats have fantasies a la Leslie Knope of large groups of women wearing matching shirts and giggling and voting together in sisterhood. 🤡 Probably with HANDS OFF MY UTERUS and DUMP TRUMP written on the car windows, a Kamala flag flying, blasting Bruce Springsteen Born in the USA or Beyonce.

I would rather joyless Chinese communists invade and run America than any horde of democratic girl squad group voters. Cringe af.

What a ridiculous ignorant screed. People are busy. People are overwhelmed. Getting out the vote involves inserting yourself into that chaos and making sure that people are focused on getting their vote counted. It has nothing to do with getting some group in a car and all going to the polls together.

democrats are pushing a fake girl squad thing and it’s repulsive. How old are these 2?

Imagine Trump and Vance sitting down on barstools in a bar and toasting each other? Cringe. Cringe.

And you are wrong, people here are definitely pretending groups of ladies are loading up cars with friends and family and they are voting in groups.

“The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.”

Not all in the same car you moron. Get your friends and family and other people you know that support your candidate, to get their votes counted. This is obvious and not controversial.

Ahh...and now we see the truth. This isn't about just getting people to vote. They only want you to vote if you're voting the same way. Otherwise, STAY HOME.

Such democracy!

Please. Any decent campaign has a strategy to try to get out their vote. Granted, Harris has a robust game and Trump's is anemic but they both have it.

But to be honest, if a trump voter asked me for my information about how to vote, I would give it to them. Knowing how the Trump campaign operates, they would give my voters misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:No don’t help at all, other than to give Kamala a feel good moment that 30K people have come out to be part of her rally.

They are doing a lot more than coming out to be part of a rally. They are voting.

The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.

Right, they're loading up the car with all their friends and family, down to the polls. Because they all live in the same polling place.

What a load of bunk. Do these people know any real women? I work in a place full of women, and if I said: hey, ladies!! What an important election! We have to vote! Let’s get in my car and drive to the polls and all vote! Together!!

The response from women would be that I am a f-g weirdo, trying to get a group together to go vote when I decide everyone needs to vote. No adult woman needs a voting co-ordinator to hold her hand and drive her to the polls. No adult women want to be pressured into voting for any candidate with a group of coworkers or family members. It’s ridiculous.

And you are right; people don’t all vote in the same place. Democrats have fantasies a la Leslie Knope of large groups of women wearing matching shirts and giggling and voting together in sisterhood. 🤡 Probably with HANDS OFF MY UTERUS and DUMP TRUMP written on the car windows, a Kamala flag flying, blasting Bruce Springsteen Born in the USA or Beyonce.

I would rather joyless Chinese communists invade and run America than any horde of democratic girl squad group voters. Cringe af.

What a ridiculous ignorant screed. People are busy. People are overwhelmed. Getting out the vote involves inserting yourself into that chaos and making sure that people are focused on getting their vote counted. It has nothing to do with getting some group in a car and all going to the polls together.

democrats are pushing a fake girl squad thing and it’s repulsive. How old are these 2?

Imagine Trump and Vance sitting down on barstools in a bar and toasting each other? Cringe. Cringe.

And you are wrong, people here are definitely pretending groups of ladies are loading up cars with friends and family and they are voting in groups.

“The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.”

Not all in the same car you moron. Get your friends and family and other people you know that support your candidate, to get their votes counted. This is obvious and not controversial.

Ahh...and now we see the truth. This isn't about just getting people to vote. They only want you to vote if you're voting the same way. Otherwise, STAY HOME.

Such democracy!

Campaigns try to get out every vote they can. That goes for the Harris campaign that goes for the Trump campaign and that goes for every other campaign. If you're reading in DCUM political threads, you understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:No don’t help at all, other than to give Kamala a feel good moment that 30K people have come out to be part of her rally.

They are doing a lot more than coming out to be part of a rally. They are voting.

The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.

Right, they're loading up the car with all their friends and family, down to the polls. Because they all live in the same polling place.

Holy missed the point. Help get out the vote for Harris in any one of the multiple possible ways that voters can cast their votes.

When are you going to vote? Where are you going to vote? Do you need a ride? Do you understand the correct day if you're going to vote in person? ,do you understand the hours that the polls are open? do you understand when early voting is? Do you understand where early voting is? Do you understand how to get your absentee ballot? Did you get your absentee valid? Did you fill out your absentee valid and send it in?

Pretty sad that some voters need that much guidance for such an important election..

Clearly you have not spent much time volunteering for any campaign. There is a a large variation in the electorate of how engaged people are about the details of voting.

LOL. Engaged?? How about just not very smart and need to be led to the polls and told how to vote.

Well, the fact that there are low information voters clearly bothers you, but that doesn't change the fact that there are low information voters.

Many millions of people are experienced voters and know exactly how to do it and many millions are really busy and are not actually that focused on the election. they are busy and being presented with easy to understand information about how to vote and when to vote can help get out the vote. That is the reality whether you like it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:No don’t help at all, other than to give Kamala a feel good moment that 30K people have come out to be part of her rally.

They are doing a lot more than coming out to be part of a rally. They are voting.

The ladies are voting and they are bringing as many of their friends and family along with them as they can.

Right, they're loading up the car with all their friends and family, down to the polls. Because they all live in the same polling place.

Holy missed the point. Help get out the vote for Harris in any one of the multiple possible ways that voters can cast their votes.

When are you going to vote? Where are you going to vote? Do you need a ride? Do you understand the correct day if you're going to vote in person? ,do you understand the hours that the polls are open? do you understand when early voting is? Do you understand where early voting is? Do you understand how to get your absentee ballot? Did you get your absentee valid? Did you fill out your absentee valid and send it in?

Pretty sad that some voters need that much guidance for such an important election..

Clearly you have not spent much time volunteering for any campaign. There is a a large variation in the electorate of how engaged people are about the details of voting.

LOL. Engaged?? How about just not very smart and need to be led to the polls and told how to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas is red. Beyoncé is functionally illiterate. Michelle is a has-been. Plus a concert bait & switch.

This was quite literally pointless.

I love that you are so consistent and sticking to Republican talking points... I'll be sure to put a good word in with your supervisor.

As a Democrat, you have no power. You can't even win an election against an insane man.

Nope. Insanity is still insisting Trump won in 2020. Unless Dems did win that election against an insane man?

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Anonymous wrote:People were leaving this rally and chanting Trump. They were there for a free concert, didn't get one, and left. This is not the flex you think it is.

I would never go to a political rally of someone I wouldn't vote for. Would you? If you believe this you're deluded.

That rally was a disaster. Dcum is pretending it was so amazing.

They were there for Bey, not Kamala.

What’s hysterical is the previous poster who thought it was delusional to believe this happened. Some of you are so desperate to believe this woman is popular when she has been nothing but a disaster.

What is hysterical is the fact that you are triggered by this :D