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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Btw there are plenty of examples of kids of color being failed by the school system itself (for example, being steered into ESL programs when they don't need them) and mountains of research on how teachers treat kids of color differently. So no, it's not just things "outside of school" that are to blame. Everyone should be concerned about MCPS low performing schools and gaslighting people by saying they don't exist is terrible.[/quote]
? you seem to be blaming teachers for the low test scores of URM, when in fact, it's mostly the home life that is to blame.  You can't seriously think that the low test scores for that group is mostly due to teacher bias.  
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You're suggesting teacher bias plays no role at all. We don't know how much is due to each but there absolutely are educational disparities (and health, and housing, and everything else) by race independent of income. Racism is real, and we know MCPS isn't meeting these kids' needs. It's true that some of these needs may be difficult to meet, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss the low test scores as signs of "bad home life". Most of the Latino students at Kennedy aren't even EML. These are English speaking kids many of which were born here or grew up here most of their lives. We're failing them.[/quote]

How?  How is MCPS responsible for their home life?  That 100% impacts them more than anything in MCPS would. Administrators and counselors practically bend over backward to find ways to get kids to come to school consistently.  How is this the fault of the school system?  There are staff members out in the community trying to help as many families as they can.  [/quote]
+1 MCPS bends over backwards for URMs.  They are so focused on the achievement gap that they have lowered the bar for everyone.

Is there some racism involved?  Yes. But, you can't convince me that most of the low test scores are due to racism.

Doesn't matter if the kids aren't considered EML or were born here.  If the student doesn't care about their education, no amount of hand holding by the teacher is going to help that student get high test scores.

I went to a majority minority HS out west, and most of the kids did not care about school.  The AP classes were mostly white/Asian, even as they were the minorities  at the school.  Most of the disruptive kids were black/brown at our school; most of the fights were between black/brown students.

There were some Asian students who didn't so well in school (I knew several). These kids didn't really care that much about their academics.  It had nothing to do with race, and everything to do with how much the kid (and family) valued education.

If you keep blaming the teachers, and pretend like most of the failing academics is because of the teachers rather than the home life, then you will never help those kids.

That's not to say that teachers are 100% blameless. Lord knows I and my kids have had some lackluster teachers who definitely should not be teaching.

I'm not saying we should give up on these kids, but not recognizing the root cause of the issue and looking elsewhere for the blame is not helpful. [b]How can you help these kids if you won't acknowledge the root cause?[/b][/quote]

I've literally said multiple times the causes are complex. I am not the one not acknowledging the issues. You insist the issues are all outside the school, when the research says there are definitely issues inside schools. So why don't you tell me, how can your help these kids if you won't acknowledge the root CAUSES?[/quote]The cause is culture, namely poor culture.  Color doesn't matter.  Poor culture, whether it's a WV holler or a Baltimore ghetto, has an education aversion and there's not much anyone in schools can do about it.   At some point we have to start leaving some kids behind so that the 80% who want to learn aren't hamstring but the 20% who don't.[/quote]

Also if you really think poor kids that don't want to learn get in the way of other kids learning maybe we shouldn't put all the poor kids in the same schools and all the rich kids in different schools. Unless.ylu really think no poor kids want to learn which is stunningly ignorant and yes, racist.[/quote]

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