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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.

Public schools should not.

It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.[/quote]

But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas. [/quote]

I am sorry, but [b]teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.[/b]

No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".

Teaching about US History and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.[/quote]

DP.  Once again:  who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities?  This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.[/quote]

Crickets.[/quote]

Im still waiting to hear how banning teaching that posits "American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence." isn't instilling a particular dogma [/quote]

+1 DeSantis has long wanted to whitewash the effects of slavery and the fight to overcome it from our history. He wrote a book in 2011 ripping off Obama’s “Dreams from my Father” called “Dreams from the Founding Fathers.”

“But the most revealing and consequential element of his book is not so much his drawing of a straight line from the founding precedents to the Tea Party movement’s dissent over big government. It’s rather how his entire reading of American history is enveloped in both unquestioning fealty to the Founders and an insistence that the role of slavery, and race more broadly, in that history does not seriously change anything about how we should understand the birth and development of our country. For Obama and his teachers, the problem of slavery exemplified the need to adapt and improve the Constitution. For DeSantis, would-be reformers who misunderstand the role of slavery in our history are themselves the root of the problem in our politics.”

“It becomes necessary for DeSantis to cleanse the Founders from any connection to slavery. In his first chapter, he tries to make quick work of those who stress the “personal flaws” of great Founding Fathers (i.e., their enslavement of other humans). First, an explicitly antislavery Constitution couldn’t possibly have been ratified, he writes—we should rather trust the good faith of the “strongly anti-slavery” Founders (Hamilton, Franklin) who supported it anyway. Slavery had been a “fact of life” throughout history. A failure to secure the future of the nation by ratifying the Constitution, DeSantis argues, would have enslaved everyone. Moreover, “the philosophical foundations of the Constitution are incompatible with slavery.” This made slavery “doomed to fail” in the new republic. In the end, “the Constitution was created despite the existence of slavery, not because of slavery.” Most of its provisions had nothing to do with slavery anyway, according to DeSantis.”

“In short, in the book DeSantis has to create a Constitution that is not so much aspirational as imaginary in order to align himself with the tradition of Martin Luther King Jr. and others who used the notion of the Founders’ benign original intentions to actually liberate Black people and increase equality. But whereas these figures wanted to talk about the Black past and present, and the impact of racial domination on everyone Black or white, DeSantis insists that a return to first principles means never bringing up slavery except to praise those who ended it.”

“There’s room for disagreement about how to view and teach the intertwined legacies of the American Revolution, slavery, and the Constitution. But as his own book suggests, it is DeSantis himself who ignores certain facts, is prone to identity-driven circular logic, and dismisses what Black voices, past and present, have to teach.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2023/02/desantis-american-history-interpretation-constitution-originalism/673152/
Blog post about the Atlantic article here: https://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-election-of-barack-obama-triggered.html?spref=tw&m=1[/quote]

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