Anonymous
02/28/2023 19:35
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Yes, removal of physics textbooks authored by Jews and then setting up extermination camps is totally the same thing as this Bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. How many hours a day to you manufacture all this outrage? Go do something useful with that time. But that would be hard. It’s easier to just sit around grousing.
Sorry if you don't see how the pattern starts and evolves. The rest of us do.
Actually pattern matching is a good adult trait to have. The difference is you are completely way way off into the weeds here. The comparisons aren’t even 10,000 magnitudes the same. You are comparing a regime that systemically murdered millions to a house bill concerning state funded universities that hasn’t even been voted on.
Five years from now we can bump this thread which will demonstrate the “pattern” you are seeing is no such thing. That will be true even if Ron wins the oval.
How do you function as an adult with this kind of distorted perception of risk? I mean that honestly.
Was Hitler killing Jews in 1933? No. But what he was doing is being mirrored now by DiSantis. Really, history can repeat itself if we let it. How can you not see that? Why are excusing ANY parallel behavior?
Anonymous
02/28/2023 19:27
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
You all keep joking. The Republican supermajority legislature is considering a bill that would eliminate the Democratic Party in Florida.
I spent two seconds reading this and it’s clearly being done for media attention and is not actually anything the Florida legislature is going to consider. How do you function as an adult without understanding these things?
Oh, yes, I forgot we’re not supposed to take Republicans seriously, or literally, or something.
If it were not for people like you who consume Twitter garbage, we wouldn’t have stunts like this. But now everything is to the lowest common denominator. A population on both sides willing to consume garbage, not read source documents, and get outraged about everything. Don’t forget to toss in a few nazi references and that’s what the quality of discourse is.
I’m sure the concentration camps of democrats in Florida are just around the corner. Any day now.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 19:08
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
You all keep joking. The Republican supermajority legislature is considering a bill that would eliminate the Democratic Party in Florida.
I spent two seconds reading this and it’s clearly being done for media attention and is not actually anything the Florida legislature is going to consider. How do you function as an adult without understanding these things?
Oh, yes, I forgot we’re not supposed to take Republicans seriously, or literally, or something.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 18:10
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
An elected representative introduced a bill. I guess we’re supposed to just assume they aren’t serious
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
You all keep joking. The Republican supermajority legislature is considering a bill that would eliminate the Democratic Party in Florida.
I spent two seconds reading this and it’s clearly being done for media attention and is not actually anything the Florida legislature is going to consider. How do you function as an adult without understanding these things?
Anonymous
02/28/2023 17:40
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
You all keep joking. The Republican supermajority legislature is considering a bill that would eliminate the Democratic Party in Florida.
I spent two seconds reading this and it’s clearly being done for media attention and is not actually anything the Florida legislature is going to consider. How do you function as an adult without understanding these things?
Anonymous
02/28/2023 17:24
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Yes, removal of physics textbooks authored by Jews and then setting up extermination camps is totally the same thing as this Bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. How many hours a day to you manufacture all this outrage? Go do something useful with that time. But that would be hard. It’s easier to just sit around grousing.
Sorry if you don't see how the pattern starts and evolves. The rest of us do.
Actually pattern matching is a good adult trait to have. The difference is you are completely way way off into the weeds here. The comparisons aren’t even 10,000 magnitudes the same. You are comparing a regime that systemically murdered millions to a house bill concerning state funded universities that hasn’t even been voted on.
Five years from now we can bump this thread which will demonstrate the “pattern” you are seeing is no such thing. That will be true even if Ron wins the oval.
How do you function as an adult with this kind of distorted perception of risk? I mean that honestly.
Yes, there's a world of difference between a bill that hasn't been voted on and systematic elimination of millions of people based on brainwashing and authoritarian regimes. Lots of steps had to happen between the introduction of the laws and what ultimately happened, like -- changing access to information, changing education, etc. This bill's introduction is one of those steps. How can you not see what this creep is doing? Going after the educated and education as a system is Authoritarianism 101.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 16:32
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
You all keep joking. The Republican supermajority legislature is considering a bill that would eliminate the Democratic Party in Florida.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 15:18
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Yes, removal of physics textbooks authored by Jews and then setting up extermination camps is totally the same thing as this Bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. How many hours a day to you manufacture all this outrage? Go do something useful with that time. But that would be hard. It’s easier to just sit around grousing.
Sorry if you don't see how the pattern starts and evolves. The rest of us do.
Actually pattern matching is a good adult trait to have. The difference is you are completely way way off into the weeds here. The comparisons aren’t even 10,000 magnitudes the same. You are comparing a regime that systemically murdered millions to a house bill concerning state funded universities that hasn’t even been voted on.
Five years from now we can bump this thread which will demonstrate the “pattern” you are seeing is no such thing. That will be true even if Ron wins the oval.
How do you function as an adult with this kind of distorted perception of risk? I mean that honestly.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 15:12
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Yes, removal of physics textbooks authored by Jews and then setting up extermination camps is totally the same thing as this Bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. How many hours a day to you manufacture all this outrage? Go do something useful with that time. But that would be hard. It’s easier to just sit around grousing.
Sorry if you don't see how the pattern starts and evolves. The rest of us do.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 15:11
Subject: Re:FL universities
Anonymous wrote:So DeSantis is replacing a perceived liberal bias in higher education with actual right wing indoctrination. It’s so sad the right wing has devolved into this small brain, anti-freedom mindset. Higher education is associated with more liberal viewpoints and it’s it’s not because of indoctrination- it’s because being exposed to different viewpoints, instead of cloistering yourselves in theocratic hellholes like Liberty, tends to make you more liberal. Education is the best disinfectant for hate, and DeSantis knows it, just like Hitler knew it and just like Mao knew it.
I don’t expect much will change for Floridians, except there may be fewer employers willing to relocate there given the state of the local “talent”. But it’s not too long off until a UF degree is viewed the same as one from Liberty or any of the other Christian “colleges” out there - worthless foot soldiers with worthless diplomas.
The "liberal bubble" was also projection at its finest.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 14:32
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
I have it on good authority the Florida National guard is just about to do something exactly the same. It’s well within the realm of possibility. I learned about it on Twitter.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 14:30
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Yes, removal of physics textbooks authored by Jews and then setting up extermination camps is totally the same thing as this Bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. How many hours a day to you manufacture all this outrage? Go do something useful with that time. But that would be hard. It’s easier to just sit around grousing.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 14:14
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Even more pointedly, Nazi troops attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, a clinic studying homosexuality and transgenderism including performing surgeries, and burned all of its books in the street.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/?amp=true
Anonymous
02/28/2023 14:03
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.
Public schools should not.
It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.
But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.
I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.
No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".
Teaching about US History and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.
DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.
Crickets.
Im still waiting to hear how banning teaching that posits "American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence." isn't instilling a particular dogma
+1 DeSantis has long wanted to whitewash the effects of slavery and the fight to overcome it from our history. He wrote a book in 2011 ripping off Obama’s “Dreams from my Father” called “Dreams from the Founding Fathers.”
“But the most revealing and consequential element of his book is not so much his drawing of a straight line from the founding precedents to the Tea Party movement’s dissent over big government. It’s rather how his entire reading of American history is enveloped in both unquestioning fealty to the Founders and an insistence that the role of slavery, and race more broadly, in that history does not seriously change anything about how we should understand the birth and development of our country. For Obama and his teachers, the problem of slavery exemplified the need to adapt and improve the Constitution. For DeSantis, would-be reformers who misunderstand the role of slavery in our history are themselves the root of the problem in our politics.”
“It becomes necessary for DeSantis to cleanse the Founders from any connection to slavery. In his first chapter, he tries to make quick work of those who stress the “personal flaws” of great Founding Fathers (i.e., their enslavement of other humans). First, an explicitly antislavery Constitution couldn’t possibly have been ratified, he writes—we should rather trust the good faith of the “strongly anti-slavery” Founders (Hamilton, Franklin) who supported it anyway. Slavery had been a “fact of life” throughout history. A failure to secure the future of the nation by ratifying the Constitution, DeSantis argues, would have enslaved everyone. Moreover, “the philosophical foundations of the Constitution are incompatible with slavery.” This made slavery “doomed to fail” in the new republic. In the end, “the Constitution was created despite the existence of slavery, not because of slavery.” Most of its provisions had nothing to do with slavery anyway, according to DeSantis.”
“In short, in the book DeSantis has to create a Constitution that is not so much aspirational as imaginary in order to align himself with the tradition of Martin Luther King Jr. and others who used the notion of the Founders’ benign original intentions to actually liberate Black people and increase equality. But whereas these figures wanted to talk about the Black past and present, and the impact of racial domination on everyone Black or white, DeSantis insists that a return to first principles means never bringing up slavery except to praise those who ended it.”
“There’s room for disagreement about how to view and teach the intertwined legacies of the American Revolution, slavery, and the Constitution. But as his own book suggests, it is DeSantis himself who ignores certain facts, is prone to identity-driven circular logic, and dismisses what Black voices, past and present, have to teach.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2023/02/desantis-american-history-interpretation-constitution-originalism/673152/
Blog post about the Atlantic article here: https://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-election-of-barack-obama-triggered.html?spref=tw&m=1
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:55
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/opinion/desantis-higher-education-bill.amp.html
I don’t understand how people who claim to be anti big government/whose parents/grandparents fled dictators don’t see this as a big red flag.
Because they’re so stupid that they think they can ride the tiger, i.e., they hate the same people these fascists hate so they’re okay with all the violence, all the censorship, all the narrowing of options and coarsening of public life. They love it. And they’re so stupid they won’t see it coming for them.