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OK. Let me guess you are one of those 50 white people who think ignoring race makes it all fair and police killings would stop if race was not thought about.  The race blind people are racist.  what the post means is that anyone who wants to go to a top school needs take make themselves elite/excellent or pointy at something and have good grades.  The days of UMC kids with tutors and involved parents getting into top colleges based on tutored test scores and tutored/parent aided grades are over.  all kids need to bring something in addition to top grades.  its just a changing of the rules.  you can pines for the days when all of the rules favored rich white as much as you like but they ain't coming back and they are not race and economic class neutral.[/quote] Schools are political and public entities. They want and NEED to admit more Black students politically. They are willing to lower their statistical standards to get them. The next issue is performance once they get in. Poor grades leads to shifts in majors away from STEM to easier paths. That will be the next correction. (No grades in college?). The correction needs to take place starting in preschool but that is much more difficult because it is expensive and requires a cultural shift in how education is valued and the need for a stable family unit. Instead we get lipstick on a pig. [/quote]

You are sadly mistaken and very limited in your experience.  Tons of those kids with Ivy kids low scores turn into great students because they are persistent.  They may take a semester or two to catch up but are often near the top by graduation.  They have nothing to fall back upon and no UMC parents to rely upon.  They are hungry to advance.

Frankly, the "best educated, most prepared kids" going to top/Ivy schools come from boarding schools and top privates across the country (not talking about the big 3/5 debate) because they have had educational opportunities and individual attention that is not available to students at UMC public or "regular" private schools.  Are you arguing that top colleges should go back to admitting large quantities of those boarding/elite day school kids like they did until the late 80s/90s?  The top colleges changed their admission policies and started admitting public school kids in greater numbers-- the quality of graduates did not go down but the boarding schools made the same arguments you make here today.  Do you really think the first gen/poor URM kids lack exposure or you actually believe they are dumb/unable to be taught?   Many elite educated people discriminated against public school kids assuming they were not bright or had poor social graces... is this what you favor?[/quote]

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