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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.[/quote]

Who said it was ok?[/quote]

We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.[/quote]

Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.[/quote]

I don't disagree that everyone should be in a safe environment. Nobody disagrees with that! The question is how to keep everyone safest when something DOES happen. In that case, we need to keep everyone- the disabled student, the other children, and the teachers- as safe as possible. The safest way to do that for all of the people mentioned is to clear the class. If that happens more than once in a non special ed classroom, then I believe everyone feels that it would be appropriate to look at a different placement in order to keep everyone safe. The problem is not the focus groups- it is often the counties not having the money to do what is right for everyone. But it is certainly not the fault of the disabled child. [b]That child did not ask to get placed into a room that does not have the right amount of support.[/b] That child does not deserve to be shoved into a room because the bureaucratic shit show our counties are can't provide the child with FAPE. Don't blame the teachers, kids, or parents. Blame the ones that are not providing for the children![/quote]

There was another interesting thread in which a parent of an unregulated child said when her child was placed in a special program and had big burly male teachers
the child suddenly had had consistent regulated behavior and was able to learn.  The mother of the child felt that when her child had a 110 pound petite female
teacher her child was consistently unregulated.  Sometimes it is not about having the money for "the right amount of support" but having access to a big burly male
teacher.  The Mom felt the access to the big burly male teacher was key to her childs regulation.

Sadly it is not politically correct to say men have a key role in childrens lives, particularly on this forum.

Throwing children in closets at a school seems like Victorian punishment.[/quote]

I’m the PP whose son was secluded. I think for most children, the seclusion does nothing but provoke anger. It certainly does not calm students. It escalates tense situations. If you are caged like a wild animal, wouldn’t you experience rage and grow to disrespect and not trust your teachers? In my son’s case, the teachers were provoking and verbally embarrassing him for his disabilities rather than consulting with the school’s special ed staff to minimize  merely annoying behavior like talking out of turn. It was only after seclusion began that he started acting out in more concerning ways.[/quote]

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