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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload[/quote]

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?[/quote]

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard.  Where you've been?  Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it. [/quote]

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.[/quote]

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks. [/quote]

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool  but then, we know this already. [/quote]

That wasn't bigot. Typical Americans don't know Harvey Mudd. And neither do the people from the poster's country. But I bet at Oxford and Cambridge, Claremont College consortium graduates are well represented and well respected. [/quote]

PP absolutely is a bigot - she called me uneducated based on nothing more but the fact that i am an immigrant.

and while there must be HM graduates at oxbridge (there are also harvard professors with degrees from alabama, not to mention many foreign schools) having one's degree widely recognized still confers an advantage and flexibility. you child's next boss could some form literally anywhere in the world; she could marry a foreigner and live abroad; she could change fields mid-career where fewer people will be aware of niche excellence; also reputation for more obscure schools is more variable over time etc . to outright dismiss all these scenarios and lecture more worldly people that "you just need to be better educated about mudd" (newsflash: if you need to teach others that your degree is valuable you arelady have a problem) is just stupid.[/quote]

PP - thanks for enlightening us most dumb Americans that there is a whole world out there. However, the point is that the typical Americans, as typical foreigners, do not know Harvey Mudd. This is totally irrelevant because [b]hiring managers and grad schools here - and abroad - are very familiar with Harvey Mudd.[/b][/quote]

this is absolutely not true. very few hiring managers abroad are familiar with harvey mudd. you clearly don't get just how obscure this school is.[/quote]

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