Anonymous wrote:That's a lot of folks working for the West Coast. I'd be concerned about the national/global reach of Harvey Mudd if anyone wanted to work elsewhere. Clearly, it's a STEM powerhouse, but it seems to be a regional one.

You normally work for 1 company. It's not like you are going to marry 100 women - or even 5. You just need one dream wife. You just need one dream job at a great place to live. Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, Orange County aren't too shabby.

That's a lot of folks working for the West Coast. I'd be concerned about the national/global reach of Harvey Mudd if anyone wanted to work elsewhere. Clearly, it's a STEM powerhouse, but it seems to be a regional one.

Here's some info directly from LinkedIn itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

That wasn't bigot. Typical Americans don't know Harvey Mudd. And neither do the people from the poster's country. But I bet at Oxford and Cambridge, Claremont College consortium graduates are well represented and well respected.

PP absolutely is a bigot - she called me uneducated based on nothing more but the fact that i am an immigrant.

and while there must be HM graduates at oxbridge (there are also harvard professors with degrees from alabama, not to mention many foreign schools) having one's degree widely recognized still confers an advantage and flexibility. you child's next boss could some form literally anywhere in the world; she could marry a foreigner and live abroad; she could change fields mid-career where fewer people will be aware of niche excellence; also reputation for more obscure schools is more variable over time etc . to outright dismiss all these scenarios and lecture more worldly people that "you just need to be better educated about mudd" (newsflash: if you need to teach others that your degree is valuable you arelady have a problem) is just stupid.

PP - thanks for enlightening us most dumb Americans that there is a whole world out there. However, the point is that the typical Americans, as typical foreigners, do not know Harvey Mudd. This is totally irrelevant because hiring managers and grad schools here - and abroad - are very familiar with Harvey Mudd.

this is absolutely not true. very few hiring managers abroad are familiar with harvey mudd. you clearly don't get just how obscure this school is.

An educated person would do some research rather than pre-supposing that the school they hadn't heard of immediately was inferior/undeserving of consideration.

I'm not sure if you were the first poster, but if you were, you said: "I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia." This is deeply elitist, flawed, and presumptuous. 10 minutes of research would show that the students at Mudd have comparable SAT scores as those at Columbia, that they're one of the top feeder schools for PhDs in STEM, and whatnot. Others posted links so that you could educate yourself. However, you've continued to bask in your ignorance and perspective. You're not "more worldly" just because you're a European immigrant. Sorry.

There were a ton of schools I had never heard of in my life until I saw an opportunity to learn about them. Schools like Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona, and yes- Harvey Mudd- they're Ivy tier schools. The students who apply to them apply to Ivy league schools, and at numerous occasions turn them down to go to the LAC. There are good reasons for doing so, all clearly explained through over 100 posts detailing the culture at Mudd vs. Columbia. For another example, I never knew INSEAD was considered a peer to Harvard and Wharton until someone mentioned it in passing and I did some research. Why would someone turn HBS down? Ah, because INSEAD fostered more of an international dynamic. Got it.

Life is filled with learning opportunities. It's a good thing to revise your worldview and learn to be accepting of the range of comparable choices out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

That wasn't bigot. Typical Americans don't know Harvey Mudd. And neither do the people from the poster's country. But I bet at Oxford and Cambridge, Claremont College consortium graduates are well represented and well respected.

PP absolutely is a bigot - she called me uneducated based on nothing more but the fact that i am an immigrant.

and while there must be HM graduates at oxbridge (there are also harvard professors with degrees from alabama, not to mention many foreign schools) having one's degree widely recognized still confers an advantage and flexibility. you child's next boss could some form literally anywhere in the world; she could marry a foreigner and live abroad; she could change fields mid-career where fewer people will be aware of niche excellence; also reputation for more obscure schools is more variable over time etc . to outright dismiss all these scenarios and lecture more worldly people that "you just need to be better educated about mudd" (newsflash: if you need to teach others that your degree is valuable you arelady have a problem) is just stupid.

PP - thanks for enlightening us most dumb Americans that there is a whole world out there. However, the point is that the typical Americans, as typical foreigners, do not know Harvey Mudd. This is totally irrelevant because hiring managers and grad schools here - and abroad - are very familiar with Harvey Mudd.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

That wasn't bigot. Typical Americans don't know Harvey Mudd. And neither do the people from the poster's country. But I bet at Oxford and Cambridge, Claremont College consortium graduates are well represented and well respected.

PP absolutely is a bigot - she called me uneducated based on nothing more but the fact that i am an immigrant.

and while there must be HM graduates at oxbridge (there are also harvard professors with degrees from alabama, not to mention many foreign schools) having one's degree widely recognized still confers an advantage and flexibility. you child's next boss could some form literally anywhere in the world; she could marry a foreigner and live abroad; she could change fields mid-career where fewer people will be aware of niche excellence; also reputation for more obscure schools is more variable over time etc . to outright dismiss all these scenarios and lecture more worldly people that "you just need to be better educated about mudd" (newsflash: if you need to teach others that your degree is valuable you arelady have a problem) is just stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

That Harvard Ph.D must stand for Pile High Deep.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

That wasn't bigot. Typical Americans don't know Harvey Mudd. And neither do the people from the poster's country. But I bet at Oxford and Cambridge, Claremont College consortium graduates are well represented and well respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I am a Harvard phd, bigot. what non-Americans think about your children's education is increasingly relevant in a modern world. if you don't realize that you are a fool but then, we know this already.

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

Unless you are paying OP's child's tuition, most people don't care what an uneducated European immigrant thinks.

I just fail to see why it's relevant that either a particular European or the population of a particular European's country minus a few dozen hasn't heard of a highly selective small college and obviously isn't aware that we have a very different system of higher education.

Should OP's DC care? Is OP's DC looking to work in whichever field this European professes without first affiliating with a major research institution to work toward a graduate degree?

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Anonymous wrote:Pros of Columbia:
- Ivy league school with worldwide recognition
- Major research university with top of the line professors and opportunities
- Endless range of events featuring the brightest minds
- In the heart of NYC, tons of internships available and easy to participate in the cultural richness of the city
- Strongly emphasizes the liberal arts with a global focus
- More balanced experience; can major in something else if one decides not to do STEM

Cons:
- Didn't connect as well with the student body
- Not undergraduate focused; couldn't feel a great sense of community among students or professors
- Stressful culture- administrators and support networks aren't very good. No hand holding (independence can be a pro too)
- Expensive (full cost)

Pros of Harvey Mudd:
- Received full tuition merit aid scholarship
- Highly distinctive computer science program and major pipeline into Silicon Valley
- #1 for return on investment based on starting salaries of grads
- Professors genuinely seem to care for students & the community is close-knit; inclusive vibe for women
- Warm weather, better food and dorms, seems to have a better quality of life/happier students
- Nearby Claremont Colleges expand opportunities, course options, friends, and social life so it isn't too small

Cons:
- Ugly campus
- Ehh college town, LA is not too accessible. Not a life in the city (can be a pro to be in a peaceful college town, too)
- Rigid required STEM and humanities core; less flexibility to explore than at Columbia. Only offers STEM majors
- Poor name brand on the east coast and as a whole compared to Columbia
- Grade deflation, very intense workload

When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Jokes on you. It's like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. Where you've been? Harvey Mudd is for people in the know. It's amazing how people boast their ignorance and don't even know it.

nope it's not like saying you haven't heard of Harvard. in fact you say so much yourself - "mudd is for people in the know". but Harvard isn't... everyone everywhere has heard of it. as an immigrant from Europe i assure you there are no more than a few dozen people in my whole country who have heard of it. but pretty much everyone has heard of Harvard and most people have heard of Columbia as well.

People like you know everything there is to know about Kardashians - but nothing about what makes this world. You probably read National Enquirer and think you are getting all the news you need.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Yeah the graduates are laughing all the way to the bank. Highest starting salary of any college.

http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-with-high-starting-salaries-2016-9#-31

1. Harvey Mudd College

Early career median pay: $78,500

Mid-career median pay: $131,000

please google "confounding variables". mudd graduates have predominantly computer science degrees.

Just wrong information. Why do people post incorrect information here that is so easily rebutted by, you know, googling?

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Anonymous wrote:When I read the thread's title, I thought it was a joke.

So there's a college somewhere called Harvey Mudd?

Yeah the graduates are laughing all the way to the bank. Highest starting salary of any college.

http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-with-high-starting-salaries-2016-9#-31

1. Harvey Mudd College

Early career median pay: $78,500

Mid-career median pay: $131,000

please google "confounding variables". mudd graduates have predominantly computer science degrees.