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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why would you be upset about something so small? Dedication and pride in one's country (native or adopted) should not be an issue. [u]Your kid should stand because it's not about the President, it's about the women and men in the armed forces who serve [b]EACH.AND.EVERY.DAY.[/b] so that your kid has certain freedoms.[/u][i] Why can't you and your child have respect for these people? Why are you being so hostile about your child being grateful for the freedoms that he currently has?[/quote]

This is arrant nonsense.  Rather, it is a right wing talking point - a post facto justification in an attempt to shame people into acting the way the right wing deems appropriate.

Can you please point to the part that references the members of the armed forces?  Like many people on this thread, I have said the Pledge well over a thousand times, so I will save you the trouble - you can't.  It doesn't exist.  So, for you, the Pledge is about honoring servicemen and women.  But you decided that for yourself.  And like you, the rest of us get to decide for ourselves.  For some, it is about democratic ideals; for others, it is about a belief in a nation that we grew up believing is great; for others, it is incompatible with their deeply held religious beliefs (and I'll wager that in other contexts, you are really big on "religious freedom," just not when it is a different religion); and for others, it (and the flag) are symbols of oppression of various groups of people.   You don't get to tell anyone what the Pledge, or the flag, means to them, and the hubris to think you can is directly contrary to being "grateful for the freedoms" you claim to support.  [/quote]

[b]One pledges to the flag and country of [i]these [/i]  United States, and its republic. A country is not a country without inhabitants (I.E. its people.) Standing under the flag unites people of all backgrounds to be indivisible (another line from the pledge). Standing for the flag means that one will fight (or march) for liberty and justice for all. Again, OP has not really stated why she feels her kid should not stand. OP, just wants to blurb out non-sense but not provide valid reasons. OP make disagree with the pledge of allegiance and that's fine. But Flag standing is about respect of opinion. People stand at the Olympics, people stand when a judge enters the court, people stand when the President walks into the room. You can disagree with someone's politics and beliefs. But it is uncouth to at least stand. You would not go to a church or mosque and have an outburst during a moment of private prayer. You would not refuse to stand at a funeral. You would not refuse to stand at a wedding even if you knew the bride was a sl-t. Again, the flag and standing is about respect for the people around you. You don't have to pledge but the kid should stand. [/quote]

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