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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, why do we care?  It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force.  They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base.  I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own.  Feel free to convince me otherwise.[/quote]

Why should there be any world order at all?  What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific?  What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland?  The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people.  Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.[/quote]
I disagree a bit.  Both the British Empire and France declared war on Germany once it invaded Poland.  Hardly a blind eye.  As for the Japanese expansion, we decided in 1938 to cut off raw materials their war machine needed to build empire, in effect economically sanctioning them.  This is one of the main causes of the Pearl Harbor attack.
As for world order, it exists not prevent war per se but to benefit those who write the order’s rules.  We wrote the rules so we did pretty much what we wanted to include invading countries on a whim to being the world’s global reserve currency.  The Socialists and Communists backed by the USSR were offering a different set of rules so we opposed them and made them extinct (mostly).  Then it was global jihad and non-state actors that were offering an alternative to our rules.  We mostly beat them.  Now it’s both the Russians and Chinese who are offering a new set of rules that are the threat.  The Russians are a military threat and the Chinese are an economic threat.  What to call their vision?  Don’t know.[/quote]

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