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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ancient historian here (though this was not my period). There is no reference to him during his lifetime. However, there are some references within a few decades of his death, such that most historians brlieve that there was a preacher of that name at that time. Beyond that, there is little than can be definitively stated about the historical figure.[/quote]

Sure, but, isn't it safe to [b]infer[/b], not only for the admitedly scant records but mainly for the complete devotion of the people who actually knew him (or, if you will, claimed to have known him) -- and were willing to be cruficied, stoned to death, etc on his name --, that he existed?

"Hey guys, let's make up the existence of this guy.  We'll be willing to suffer horrible torture and death on this fake guy's name."[/quote]

Well, the vast majority of persecuted Christians never claimed to have met him - the persecution of Christiians didn't begin in earnest till some time after his death.[/quote]

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