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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Morals and values don't come from religion.  They come from empathy.  The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.[/quote]

I'm a Christian and this is a silly rule for beginners/children. There's a tinge of selfishness to it, don't you think? Do something because it is right.  Right and wrong. Right action. This also exists in many religions and philosophies.  That being said, the teachings of Christ are a wonderful guide if you are trying to determine right from wrong. xo[/quote]

Really?  That's like saying christians do something right so you won't go to hell.  If God wanted to create a system where people had no selfish motivation to be good or bad, he could send everyone to the same afterlife regardless.  [/quote]

I personally think it's childish to hold some imaginary eternal punishment over someone's head, telling them that they will burn in hell for eternity even if they didn't do anything wrong, because of an act that their great great great great grand-daddy and grandmamma committed, UNLESS they accept Jesus and live their lives in a fashion exactly as prescribed by the church.  Religion treats us like children.[/quote]

OP here. We attended the funeral of a dear friend of mine at one of the mega-churches in the area a year ago. I have to say I was shocked at how cold and threatening-sounding the sermon turned out to be. The preacher brandished a little crucifix he had brought back from a foreign mission and went on and on about how we were awash in sin, how the only way to gain access to heaven was to accept Christ in your heart and how you couldn't freeload on the grace of others. He said little about my friend other than that she was a true believer, and nothing about any of the central, most beautiful messages in the Bible about love, acceptance, forgiveness.
I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously.[/quote]

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