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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b][quote=Anonymous]Frankly the only counselors who can truly move the needle are the ones who are planning things from at least grade 9 on.  If you simply hire someone when your kid is a junior or senior then it's too late.

But the kid also has to be doing exceptionally well in school. I would imagine that most families who have money for this type of counseling are private school kids and it's not easy to do well at many top privates. In our experience at a Big3 school, the unhooked Ivy admits (aside from Cornell) are all from the top of the class. I had one of these kids and they got into an Ivy with their own [b]random assortment of extracurriculars and our haphazard attempt at guiding a narrative[/b] in the 11th hour.  So no 4-5 years of packaging is needed if the grades are there. And no packaging will help if the grades are not there.  So honestly, I don't see the point of it.

Maybe it's more helpful in the public realm where there are large classes and many kids with top grades and so it's important for kids to have very built-out narratives to separate them from their academically identical peers. [/quote][/b]

Can you give examples of these random activities and narratives? Give equivalents if you want to protect your identity. Thanks![/quote]

By random I mean: a varsity sport, some volunteer work, some student leadership, one internship in something unrelated to intended major. 
No theme or packaging. [/quote]

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