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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
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"Christian underpinnings..." nice equivocation so you don't get skewered again for saying they are christian inventions.  Christianity is a critical part of european history and everything which comes from european history has "Christian underpinnings..." including salt cod and the road system.  Doesn't mean those freedom values are inherent in the religion, because they are not.

[i]“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)[/i][/quote]

[url=https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507]Try again[/url][/quote]

You put a link to a book. The description of the book says exactly what I did with the same stupid spin you put on it.  The concepts of individual freedom and liberty predate christianity by a ton and you know it.  See below.

I think you should try again.

[i]In Paul's letters to the Ephesians, Paul motivates early Christian servants to remain loyal and obedient to their masters like they are to Christ. In Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ."[/i]

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While Christianity has profoundly shaped the concept of freedom, the idea of freedom itself, in various forms, predates the religion, with roots in ancient philosophical and political thought, and even in the struggles for liberation seen in pre-Christian societies.

Ancient Roots of Freedom:

Ancient Greek Philosophy: Philosophers like Plato and Aristotle explored concepts of justice, liberty, and the nature of the good life, laying groundwork for later discussions about freedom.

Roman Republic: The Roman Republic, with its emphasis on citizen participation and limited government, offered a model of freedom from tyranny that influenced later political thought.

Pre-Christian Societies: Many societies, even those not influenced by Greek or Roman thought, had their own concepts of freedom, whether it be freedom from oppression, freedom of choice, or freedom of belief. [/quote]

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