Anonymous
03/28/2025 09:31
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
What religious minorities do you think are not being advocated for?
Anonymous
03/28/2025 09:30
Subject: Re:Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Mine does
Anonymous
03/27/2025 11:47
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
"Christian underpinnings..." nice equivocation so you don't get skewered again for saying they are christian inventions. Christianity is a critical part of european history and everything which comes from european history has "Christian underpinnings..." including salt cod and the road system. Doesn't mean those freedom values are inherent in the religion, because they are not.
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Try again
You put a link to a book. The description of the book says exactly what I did with the same stupid spin you put on it. The concepts of individual freedom and liberty predate christianity by a ton and you know it. See below.
I think you should try again.
In Paul's letters to the Ephesians, Paul motivates early Christian servants to remain loyal and obedient to their masters like they are to Christ. In Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ."
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While Christianity has profoundly shaped the concept of freedom, the idea of freedom itself, in various forms, predates the religion, with roots in ancient philosophical and political thought, and even in the struggles for liberation seen in pre-Christian societies.
Ancient Roots of Freedom:
Ancient Greek Philosophy: Philosophers like Plato and Aristotle explored concepts of justice, liberty, and the nature of the good life, laying groundwork for later discussions about freedom.
Roman Republic: The Roman Republic, with its emphasis on citizen participation and limited government, offered a model of freedom from tyranny that influenced later political thought.
Pre-Christian Societies: Many societies, even those not influenced by Greek or Roman thought, had their own concepts of freedom, whether it be freedom from oppression, freedom of choice, or freedom of belief.
Amen!
Anonymous
03/27/2025 11:46
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Which part of my god is better than your god you don't understand?
+1. Nailed it.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 10:36
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
"Christian underpinnings..." nice equivocation so you don't get skewered again for saying they are christian inventions. Christianity is a critical part of european history and everything which comes from european history has "Christian underpinnings..." including salt cod and the road system. Doesn't mean those freedom values are inherent in the religion, because they are not.
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Try again
You put a link to a book. The description of the book says exactly what I did with the same stupid spin you put on it. The concepts of individual freedom and liberty predate christianity by a ton and you know it. See below.
I think you should try again.
In Paul's letters to the Ephesians, Paul motivates early Christian servants to remain loyal and obedient to their masters like they are to Christ. In Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ."
==============
While Christianity has profoundly shaped the concept of freedom, the idea of freedom itself, in various forms, predates the religion, with roots in ancient philosophical and political thought, and even in the struggles for liberation seen in pre-Christian societies.
Ancient Roots of Freedom:
Ancient Greek Philosophy: Philosophers like Plato and Aristotle explored concepts of justice, liberty, and the nature of the good life, laying groundwork for later discussions about freedom.
Roman Republic: The Roman Republic, with its emphasis on citizen participation and limited government, offered a model of freedom from tyranny that influenced later political thought.
Pre-Christian Societies: Many societies, even those not influenced by Greek or Roman thought, had their own concepts of freedom, whether it be freedom from oppression, freedom of choice, or freedom of belief.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 10:28
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Abrahamic religions are religions of intolerance and misunderstanding without any spirituality.
But, these philosophies have also allowed for their followers to wage wars for gain, colonize other peaceful lands, enslave people of other races and invade other countries for their own profit. The story of their civilization is of greed and cruelty that is propelled by their religions. Why would the victors mind that?
But, these philosophies have also allowed for their followers to wage wars for gain, colonize other peaceful lands, enslave people of other races and invade other countries for their own profit. The story of their civilization is of greed and cruelty that is propelled by their religions. Why would the victors mind that?
Anonymous
03/27/2025 10:24
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
"Christian underpinnings..." nice equivocation so you don't get skewered again for saying they are christian inventions. Christianity is a critical part of european history and everything which comes from european history has "Christian underpinnings..." including salt cod and the road system. Doesn't mean those freedom values are inherent in the religion, because they are not.
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Try again
Anonymous
03/27/2025 10:05
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
"Christian underpinnings..." nice equivocation so you don't get skewered again for saying they are christian inventions. Christianity is a critical part of european history and everything which comes from european history has "Christian underpinnings..." including salt cod and the road system. Doesn't mean those freedom values are inherent in the religion, because they are not.
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Anonymous
03/27/2025 10:04
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
I’m Catholic and that’s not my experience. Maybe evangelical Christians are like that but that is a broad generalization which is not true ime.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:52
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Well, if religious people hadn't advocated for religious minorities in the 17th century we wouldn't have the First Ammendment.
Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
I know lots of Christians, like the ones who work for FIRE (not an exclusively Christian org), who still carry on the work of advocating for the freedom of religious minorities today.
Most of our concepts of freedom that came out of the Enlightenment have Christian underpinnings. People - including many modern Christians - just don't want to remember that.
I know lots of Christians, like the ones who work for FIRE (not an exclusively Christian org), who still carry on the work of advocating for the freedom of religious minorities today.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:51
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Which part of my god is better than your god you don't understand?
People respect people of other religions, because at least they believe in a supernatural being, whom they call God.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:50
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Anonymous wrote:Which part of my god is better than your god you don't understand?
If my god is better than your god than it makes even more sense for me to be better and kinder human. No?
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:48
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
You can think of your God as the better one and still advocate for other people's rights and freedoms to follow their lesser gods. Most people follow whichever gender or god was assigned to them as birth. Not many consider possibility of changing either.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:25
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Which part of my god is better than your god you don't understand?
Anonymous
03/27/2025 09:22
Subject: Why religious people don't advocate for religious minorities
Do you find it puzzling?