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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's the first class in chemistry that students isn't already take once or twice in high school. There's the same in any major. But Orgo is full of people who are NOT chem.majors, who don't care about chemistry and aren't good at learning science, but want to be rich doctors.

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I'll counter that it's often the first science course most people take where you can't memorize your way to an A.[/quote]

That is what I remember as well. Regular chem was a lot of factual memorization but this was a different animal. It wasn’t until the last month that I really understood that and could change my approach and study differently. It was the first course that shook me up - that was before I could rely on the internet for help so it was just me and my classmates pulling all nighters so we did not fail. A C was considered a very respectable grade in the class.

It was a weed out class back then for pre-med - many dropped it to take at community college P/F. After I graduated they required it to be taken at the school- even if you took it elsewhere so they knew you were ready for the subsequent courses. [/quote]
Biology majors especially struggle because so much of biology is memorization, at least until you get to substantive lab work in graduate school.  They don't know how to study for it.

You are better off pretending organic chemistry is a math course and studying for it like you would calculus.  The molecules are pictures, but problems are still problems that requires solving.[/quote]

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