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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A 24 hour chip is given to anyone who commits to be sober.  They don’t have to be sober, but they have to commit to becoming sober.

That said, AA has MANY problematic aspects and has a higher failure rate than individuals quitting cold turkey.  There are alternatives, such as the SMART program.  A lot of addiction/alcoholism is also self-medicating for untreated PTSD, depression, ADHD etc as well.  Just to note all of that for you. [/quote]

But AA indisputably works for a huge number of people.  THEY certainly aren’t being hampered by any “problematic aspects.”  Why do you feel compelled to deride it based on your own selected statistics that other statistics disagree with?  Are you in recovery?  If not (indeed, even if you are) where do you get off trying to take life saving options off the table for other people.

And as for “[a] lot of addiction/alcoholism is also self-medicating for untreated PTSD, depression, ADHD etc.,” none of that is going to improve while the person is still drinking. [/quote]

It only works for a huge number of people because a 10x huger number of people try it. Statistically fewer people who join AA actually quit drinking than people who just decide to give up drinking cold turkey.  Your logic is like saying "well praying works to cure cancer for a huge number of people!, what's wrong with praying instead of going to a doctor?!"  Just because some number of people happened to not die of cancer and also prayed doesn't mean most people aren't better off going to a doctor.  Nobody is saying AA has never worked for anyone, but AA works worse than other methods so why encourage people to use the worse method?[/quote]

Your assertion that AA is inferior to cold turkey is fallacious. You need to read the article linked above. AA is not the “worse method;” it is superior to other approaches. And the “worst method” is remaining hopeless and drinking oneself to death without ever trying anything, sometimes because a person derided the very approach that might have saved the person.
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