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[quote=BlueFredneck][quote=Anonymous][quote=BlueFredneck][quote=Anonymous][quote=BlueFredneck][quote=Anonymous]Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.

This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years.  People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.

End of the EU?  So much hyperbole, OP. [/quote]

Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.

(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.) [/quote]

As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on. [/quote]

There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)

Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold. [/quote]

The Red Wall voted for Brexit and BoJo delivered Brexit - which is why they voted for him. Talking about Brexit at this point is merely grappling for excuses specifically to blame it on something you never liked, Brexit. Some of the problems if not much of it is more related to the post-COVID economic situation that we find in the US too - shortages, inflation, supply chain issues.

BoJo is an intriguing person, to put it politely. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year. The party may push him out. Some of his problems are of his own making. Or it's merely political doldrums filling the pages for the sake of having something to talk about and will die down. Or all of the above. But this thread is about Zemmour, not BoJo.

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OK I'll gladly concede that the shortages may be the more universal shortages and not due to Brexit per se.

Of course the LibDems and Greens will eagerly blame Brexit for that in an effort to become more relevant (remember - well you probably do - that FOUR parties took a lead in the summer of 2019, the LibDems and Brexit Parties briefly, and of course the Tories and Labour.) Labour seems to realize they can't be Remoaners and what's done is done for a generation at least.

Another PP claimed that polls are always bad and always wrong and always worthless. I found that overly facile. [/quote]

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