BlueFredneck
12/01/2021 12:03
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.
There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)
Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold.
The Red Wall voted for Brexit and BoJo delivered Brexit - which is why they voted for him. Talking about Brexit at this point is merely grappling for excuses specifically to blame it on something you never liked, Brexit. Some of the problems if not much of it is more related to the post-COVID economic situation that we find in the US too - shortages, inflation, supply chain issues.
BoJo is an intriguing person, to put it politely. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year. The party may push him out. Some of his problems are of his own making. Or it's merely political doldrums filling the pages for the sake of having something to talk about and will die down. Or all of the above. But this thread is about Zemmour, not BoJo.
OK I'll gladly concede that the shortages may be the more universal shortages and not due to Brexit per se.
Of course the LibDems and Greens will eagerly blame Brexit for that in an effort to become more relevant (remember - well you probably do - that FOUR parties took a lead in the summer of 2019, the LibDems and Brexit Parties briefly, and of course the Tories and Labour.) Labour seems to realize they can't be Remoaners and what's done is done for a generation at least.
Another PP claimed that polls are always bad and always wrong and always worthless. I found that overly facile.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 11:49
Subject: Re:Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:I’m still reeling from the thought of him impregnating a young aide. He looks like he smells like cigarettes and stale cologne. All I see is Mr Burns from The Simpsons.
Ugh, he looks so creepy. Campaigning with a knocked up 20-something, while his lawyer wife sits quietly at home? This is a new low, even for France.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10252683/Emmanuel-Macron-rival-pregnant-PA-appear-public-magazine-reveals-romance.html
Anonymous
12/01/2021 11:48
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
The funny thing is is that Macron would be called a white supremacist right winger over here because of his anti-woke views.
A center-right nativist being called a white supremacist right winger? Quelle horreur!!
Anonymous
12/01/2021 11:32
Subject: Re:Éric Zemmour
I’m still reeling from the thought of him impregnating a young aide. He looks like he smells like cigarettes and stale cologne. All I see is Mr Burns from The Simpsons.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 11:06
Subject: Éric Zemmour
BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.
There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)
Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold.
The Red Wall voted for Brexit and BoJo delivered Brexit - which is why they voted for him. Talking about Brexit at this point is merely grappling for excuses specifically to blame it on something you never liked, Brexit. Some of the problems if not much of it is more related to the post-COVID economic situation that we find in the US too - shortages, inflation, supply chain issues.
BoJo is an intriguing person, to put it politely. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year. The party may push him out. Some of his problems are of his own making. Or it's merely political doldrums filling the pages for the sake of having something to talk about and will die down. Or all of the above. But this thread is about Zemmour, not BoJo.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 10:05
Subject: Éric Zemmour
BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
The funny thing is is that Macron would be called a white supremacist right winger over here because of his anti-woke views.
BlueFredneck
12/01/2021 09:48
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.
There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)
Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold.
BlueFredneck
12/01/2021 09:40
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
The polls showed Hillary was going to win, yet we got Trump. The polls weren't able to detect that the conservatives would overwhelmingly win in the UK, yet they did. So much for the usefulness of polls.
were polls off by 10+ points in either UK-GE2019 or USA-Pres 2016? come on, folks were predicting a 40-50 seat majority and when Corbynism failboated, we got an 86 seat majority for Boris. Point being, polls were off by margin or error or just more for UK-Brexit, UK-GE2019, and USA-Pres 2016 - for Macron to lose we'd have to see a failure GREATER than any modern polling has yet seen.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 09:35
Subject: Éric Zemmour
BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 09:35
Subject: Éric Zemmour
BlueFredneck wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
The polls showed Hillary was going to win, yet we got Trump. The polls weren't able to detect that the conservatives would overwhelmingly win in the UK, yet they did. So much for the usefulness of polls.
BlueFredneck
12/01/2021 09:32
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.
(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
BlueFredneck
12/01/2021 09:30
Subject: Éric Zemmour
(He's running for French President against incumbent Macron, who's a right-liberal.)
Thing is, who's he going to get that Le Pen isn't already getting?
Is he going to sap some points from LR (center-right) - because he may well sap enough strength from Le Pen that the runoff goes to Macron against either of LR's winner or (if two of the three lefties - Melenchon, Jadot, or Hidalgo - join forces) and leftist candidate.
Recent polls show Macron defeating Zemmour 60-40 in a runoff.
Thing is, who's he going to get that Le Pen isn't already getting?
Is he going to sap some points from LR (center-right) - because he may well sap enough strength from Le Pen that the runoff goes to Macron against either of LR's winner or (if two of the three lefties - Melenchon, Jadot, or Hidalgo - join forces) and leftist candidate.
Recent polls show Macron defeating Zemmour 60-40 in a runoff.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 09:27
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Anonymous wrote:If Zemmour wins, it will be the end of EU. Then what?
It will not be the end of the EU but it would be a turning point. Then again, the EU is all about turning points.
There's plenty of resistance in all the member states to closer integration and plenty of frustrations with the EU bureaucracy and very slow responses to crises and politically correct indifferences to many social problems. But that's not tantamount to wanting to break up the EU.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 09:26
Subject: Éric Zemmour
Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.
End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.
Anonymous
12/01/2021 09:21
Subject: Éric Zemmour
If Zemmour wins, it will be the end of EU. Then what?