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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Two things.  There are already priests in the DMV performing same-sex ceremonies on the down-low.  This is not a too well kept secret.
Also, with President Biden being the most visible example of a faithful highly devout Catholic who holds progressive beliefs, I think the Church is changing from the bottom up.  The Church’s old male hierarchy has to parrot the catechism, but I think most Catholics simply ignore them at this point.
It’s disappointing though because we saw Pope Francis as an agent of progressive radically needed change in the Church but he’s mostly proved to be as sadly conservative as his predecessors Benedict and John Paul II.[/quote]

The ceremonies aren’t valid, but if they want to wave their hands in front a couple, that’s up to them.  If you don’t accept the authority of the magisterium and the Pope, you’re a Protestant.  Just own it.[/quote]

No, this is not good enough.  The CDF takes the time to write these statements for good reason: to justify their decisions.  In doing so, they open up their reasoning to debate.  If they expected us to accept authority blindly and without debate, there would be no point to it all.

We know the Church has made mistakes before, and they are making them again. The Church is not infallible (er, unless it declares itself to be infallible, which it seldom does.)  The entire doctrine goes back to Gaudium et Spes, and if you read it as you would a scholarly paper, it does not hold up in this particular issue.  [/quote]

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