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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There's a very simple question with a very complicated answer: [b]For the purposes of athletic competition, you have to determine where the line is between men and women.[/b] (This is a very different question than in most areas, where I believe anyone should be able to decided whether they are a man or woman.) I don't know the answer. From what I've read, the science is very unsure about what exact biological characteristics contributes to the male advantage (which is very consistently about 10 percent faster for all running and endurance sports), and the recent decision very well may be premature.

However, this article gets into more detail:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05/what-no-one-is-telling-you-about-caster-semenya-she-has-xy-chromosomes/

One interesting fact: " the rate of intersex births is just .018% — less than two out of every 10,000 people. ... [but] it’s believed that all three of the medallists in the 2016 Olympic women’s 800 – Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba and Margaret Wambui — are intersex."[/quote]

No, that's not what they determined. What they determined is that she's a woman whose testosterone levels are higher than they will allow for women competing at distances between 400 m and 1 mile.[/quote]

You can't ignore the fact she's intersex.  It matters. [/quote]

You can't ignore the fact that Michael Phelps has [whatever medical condition that gives him long arms, big floppy feet, and a weird metabolism]. It matters.[/quote]

Michael Phelps competes against anyone, male or female. [b]Caster is competing against women, who have XX chromosomes.[/b]  She could compete against XY people, and no one would object.  [/quote]

The IAAF, which made the ruling, didn't say boo about chromosomes, so [b]I don't know why you are bringing it up. [/b]And the IAAF may even actually know what chromosomes Caster Semenya has - unlike you.[/quote]

Really?  No idea why it might be relevant at all?[/quote]

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